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Hardly surprising; we evolve to adapt to circumstances - given similar circumstances one would expect similar solutions. It almost feels like "math" 
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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It is. Evolution is driven by probabilities. Given enough time and enough individuals, any useful adaptation will show up again.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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This looks more like nurture than nature.
The statement:Quote: But researchers believe that after the sea levels dropped and the bird reappeared, it became flightless once again
makes it sound like the birds miraculously gained flight when the islands sank, then lost their wings again when they islands came back, which is more than a tad beyond the pale.
I'd be looking for chemical/bacterial/viral reasons for the birds losing their wings, not marvelling at how logical it all is -- because it's not logical, at all; evolution works by random mutation, not according to set formulae.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: makes it sound like the birds miraculously gained flight when the islands sank
No, they were wiped out, but a similar species that could fly re-inhabited the island, and then lost its ability to fly when sea levels dropped. Apparently.
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Typical reporters not understanding evolution: just because "Species A" evolves into "Species B" that doesn't mean "Species A" automatically goes extinct. So the flightless one dies out, a "modern" version of the original population recolonizes and makes similar adaptations to the local environment. Losing the ability to fly when there are no predators around to make it necessary is common - it's an expensive ability - just look at New Zealand!
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As far as I read there wasnt a suggestion that species A evolved into species B.
I see it as
Species A (flight capable bird, on the mainland), migrates to island xxxx years ago. Becomes species B (flightless bird).
Island gets wiped out, species B dies out.
yyy years later, Island pops out of the sea, Species A migrates to island. Becomes species C, also flightless, but heavier than species B, but in other respects very similar.
At least that is the way I read it.
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The question is; do they taste the same?
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OriginalGriff wrote: Losing the ability to fly when there are no predators around to make it necessary is common - it's an expensive ability - just look at New Zealand!
Sheep used to fly?
You're the expert, so I'll take your word for it.
And I guess it explains why they're all over the world.
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See the Shoe Event Horizon for an example of evolution working in the opposite direction. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Life is much stronger than we presume. Much much stronger.
I remember going down an old ochre mine in France once. A hundred meters down the tunnel, around one of the lights (there was one every 10 meters or so) was a little osasis of small plants, little grasses and ferns, extending out say 40 cm. There was enough light for them to life, moisture, and nutrients. And they were happy doing their thing.
Life clinging on in the most tenuous of situations and yet thriving.
Life is much stronger than we presume.
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And now I have the opening scene of Aerith in Final Fantasy VII stuck in my head.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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I dont know of that, is it a film about plants in caves gathered around a light bulb?
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Munchies_Matt wrote: I dont know of that, is it a film about plants in caves gathered around a light bulb?
yes, but it what happens next, it was like... like... ummm.... jurassic park on a heavy dose of ritalin. (you know, a typical franai frogolian movie, nothing much happens and every one thinks it was briliant because it made you sleep dream imagine.)
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Right... kind of art-house then.
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Not sure how you got there, but that was holy ground those flowers bloomed on[^].
On a side note, I started FF IX on PS4 just yesterday.
It's my least played FF (except for XI, XIII and XIV, which I haven't played at all) and I decided to give it another go 
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I read it "Extinct Bird Revolvers" at first and I thought that it's a f*g good name for a metal band.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Hmm,might have to use that.
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QUOTE FROM ARTICLE: a
s believed to have lost its ability to fly because the lack of predators made it unnecessary
I LIKELY LOST MY ABILITY TO WALK ONCE MY REFRIGERATOR LOST ABILITY TIO ESCAPE!
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Android WARNING: Google confirms THESE phones have dangerous malware pre-installed[^]
Yes, yes - it's the Express (normally only concerned with how terrorists will affect house prices if you install them in your country - not actually sure they know what a phone is) but a quick check shows other sites as well.
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google said: Yes, we know that millions upon millions of people's phones are infected with malware from the google play store, but stop looking at US! Look at THEM!
Missed a bit.
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OriginalGriff wrote: how terrorists will affect house prices if you install them in your country
As terrorists tend to blow things up, thereby making them more scarce, classical economic theory say that the price should go up.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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The Express is much more interested in things that might make the price go down: non-golfers, terrorists, people under 50. That kind of thing.
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Hmmm, I've got a good respected name but carrying an overpriced (overstocked too I bet) product.
Lets put that reputation to work....
yeah, no. (I'm not saying the product is lousy, from reports the pixel is really really good, but...)
difference is Apple products were never anywhere near cheap (and for sure never free),
google though.
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3 Hours of Gentle Rain[^]
No, seriously: the lyric track is a bit short, but ... reminds me of home, and is actually an aid to concentration - for me at least.
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