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I have a client whose business is hosted on a server in his office. He takes backups of the (Sql2005) database every day, with off-site copies taken monthly... and stores it on the server's C: drive. The server is running Win2008, and the application is written in a mix of Classic ASP and ASP.Net running on Framework 2.0. It uses TLS 1.1 protocols for SSL. In the event of a failure of his server's hard drive, or a disaster in the office, even if he had up-to-date copies of the application (there are no backups as such, each file just gets renamed to ..._Back or ..._copy or something - no naming scheme - and a newer version gets copied in), there's no way he'd find an external hosting company with a setup that could be quickly configured, and if replacing his server I'm not even sure I could easily get my hands on the server op system. So it would be a major upgrade / reconfigure at a time of maximum urgency. I've explained this to him many times but he still says he's trying to "justify the expenditure". 
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If it might help light a fire under your clients seat, Jan 14 2020 is Server 2008's end of life which means that early next year his system is almost certain to get pwnd.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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ha ha... you're assuming he's applying MS security updates! 
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At a former position, we discovered that the new way of doing backups produced empty backups. Oops. Fortunately, problem fixed before they were needed.
As somebody once told me, "Nobody cares about backups. Restores, on the other hand...".
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I've recalled this story before, but briefly - was called in as a consultant to help a customer whose PC's hard drive had failed. It was OK, they backed everything up nightly. I loaded the (floppy) disk and found ... the application code. Not a single copy of the data existed anywhere. Amazingly, the company survived by rebuilding their database from the employees' memory (they were a cleaning service company).
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Back when doing a job as a desktop maintenance monkey, we came in to work at a new client company, went through several machines doing updates, and while there, emptied the trash.
Got dragged in front of the boss and told: "never empty the trash, that's where some of those people store their working files".
We all looked at each other, he looked at us and said, "I know, I know. I can't fix them. They're idiots. Just don't empty the trash."
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A logician deducts the truth.
A detective inducts the truth.
A journalist abducts the truth.
Give a man a mug, he drinks for a day. Teach a man to mug...
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If I had a nickle for every time someone stored important files in the trash/recycle bin ...
I got called in to a manager's office to help him recover important files that disappeared. When I asked him what folder they had been in, he pointed to the recycle bin. Apparently, he did this in the physical world as well. He put things he did not want to deal with now into his recycle bin under his desk. If he didn't need to look at it for over a month, it would get dumped. If he needed it, he would dig through the recycle bin to find it.
You just can't fix stupid, no matter how hard you try.
Money makes the world go round ... but documentation moves the money.
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I've been at 2 client sites where a mainframe application had been in production for decades, but the source code was lost. There were no changes to the program (obviously) so other programs were written to manipulate the data to address necessary updates. In both cases the original specs were lost as well, so no one knew for sure what the MF did or how it did it.
At another site we had good backups -- but when we needed a file restored, the help desk informed us that it would take a week to extract a file from the backup. It was faster to rewrite the file from the spec, done in a day. The help desk sent us the file from the backup 3 weeks later ...
Periodically I zip a copy of the project and store it on an external HD and/or burn to DVD.
Are DVDs still relevant? Consider that a finalized DVD is ransomware-proof and draw your own conclusion.
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It's your birthday? ["hip", "hip"]
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Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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BOO!
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OriginalGriff wrote: It's your birthday?
and you are old enough to need 2 hip replacements?
Socialism is the Axe Body Spray of political ideologies: It never does what it claims to do, but people too young to know better keep buying it anyway. (Glenn Reynolds)
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Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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DRHuff wrote: and you are old enough to need 2 hip replacements?
We have a regular around here who is in his fifties and has not only had both hips replaced but also both knees. I call hium Steve Austin (no, not the f***ing wrestler).
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Michael Martin wrote: both hips replaced but also both knees
Ye gods. 
Software Zen: delete this;
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I hear springs
Borrow his phone and set his text message sound to this!
Socialism is the Axe Body Spray of political ideologies: It never does what it claims to do, but people too young to know better keep buying it anyway. (Glenn Reynolds)
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Ask him if he's in the new RoboCop remake... 
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Johnny J. wrote: Ask him if he's in the new RoboCop remake...
I'm not but I consulted at an exorbitant fee. 
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
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Thanks for the shout out but I need to clarify.
Both hips replaced and 1 knee replaced. The remaining original knee has not yet deteriorated enough to warrant replacement.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: The remaining original knee has not yet deteriorated enough to warrant replacement.
I shall be around shortly to rectify the situation.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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DRHuff wrote: and you are old enough to need 2 hip replacements?
Yes, but to quote Indiana Jones "It's not the years honey, it's the mileage."
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
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May the Fourth be with you!
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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At first, an odd crack - but it sparkled. What shell we do as we don't wish to refuze your wishes?
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