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DOJ said the hackers stole data on Americans and Equifax's intellectual property. "It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles"
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OK, are there any security experts in here?
I've done a bit, and I believe I can say in all correctness that there is absolutely no f***ing way that the DoJ could have tracked the hack back to four individuals working on government-owned machines in a foreign state -- they can't even identify hackers on US soil, FFS!
It's much more likely a case of "Hey, Kowalski, pick four Chinese guys outta that hat!"
When the "Department of Justice" of your country starts lying to you so blatantly and obviously, you know you're in the sh1t.
Will you chaps in the US give my regards to the doorman of room 101, given that a fair proportion of you are likely to be visiting him?
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I agree. The alternative solution is that the world's best security experts working in a government organisation where secrecy is paramount to protect national interests and not reveal to their enemies how things are done, who have actual access to the specifics of the hack, don't want to jeopardise their national security by giving out all the specific details....but that's just preposterous.
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I think it's safe to say that the degree of hacking required to get into the Chinese military to make such "discoveries" is well outside the range of what is possible. They have a hundred people defending their networks for each person trying to attack them.
If it were the other way around, it would, of course, only take the Chinese six days.
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You have no idea how they got in, what they did, what tracks they left...nothing. You're going off of how you see hacking done in Hollywood movies.
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If Sandra Bullock and Angelina Jolie can do it, anyone can.
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GenJerDan wrote: If Sandra Bullock and Angelina Jolie can do it, anyone can.
I'd rather not see too many developers flash their boobs.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: You're going off of how you see hacking done in Hollywood movies.
You're absolutely right. I am totally inexperienced in all things related to IT, and have most certainly never dealt with any security issues, which is why I hang out in the CP Lounge.
Here's an idea: Why don't you pop off to stack overflow? It's all like the CP soapbox, there, so you can carry on with your absurd worship of all things related to your favourite flavour of politics to your heart's content.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: I am totally inexperienced in all things related to IT, and have most certainly never dealt with any security issues,
It's not your experience of security issues that I am questioning; it is the fact you don't seem to grasp that there may be something going on that you're simply not privy to.
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They did not hack so deep into the Chinese military machine that they were able to pinpoint individuals who they claim implemented an attack.
Believing that they have such capabilities is utterly ludicrous. It is a political, false declaration from a body which should be above politics, and above reproach.
Take your mindless worship elsewhere; politics is not welcome here.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: They did not hack so deep into the Chinese military machine that they were able to pinpoint individuals who they claim implemented an attack.
Maybe the hackers left some trace of something? Who knows....not me, and not you. I bet people using TOR were pretty shocked when they found out the FBI could still trace them. I bet people using HTTPS were pretty shocked when they found out the CIA could decrypt their comms. I bet people with iPhones were shocked to find out the FBI paid for a tool that could unlock it. When it comes to governments none of us know what they are really capable of as they don't advertise it. And when it comes to this hack no-one knows if the hackers left any evidence as they won't advertise that either. I'm amazed you are so naive that you don't appreciate that sometimes law enforcement doesn't make everything public.
Mark_Wallace wrote: politics is not welcome here.
At no point have I said anything about politics. You should know by now that throwing around false accusations to try and shut me up is going to get you nowhere. Stick to the arguments at hand, and if you can't counter them then contemplate the possibility that you are wrong.
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This discussion ends here. I refuse to discuss religion with Jehovah's Witnesses, and I refuse to discuss political deception with blind followers of political extremists.
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You also refuse to admit a book doesn't say what you claim it does even when it is quoted directly to you.
You: *argument*
Me: *argument proving you wrong*
You: "stop talking politics*
Me: *I'm not...more non-political arguments proving you wrong*
You: *stop talking politics, they're not welcome here*
Me: *I'm not....more non-political arguments*
You: *that's it, I refuse to talk politics with Nazis!!!1"
LOL, pathetic 
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LOL you've got him pegged.
This could've been the way...
CIA's Secret Ownership of Crypto AG Enabled Extensive Espionage[^]
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I believe he once said his wife is Chinese. He defends China almost unconditionally, so don't take his replies personally.
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Um this CIA's Secret Ownership of Crypto AG Enabled Extensive Espionage[^]
we have no idea what the US Gov't, indeed, any gov't is up to.
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: CIA's Secret Ownership of Crypto AG Enabled Extensive Espionage[^]
Unfortunately, any page that has eight trackers and runs 15 different scripts doesn't get opened, on my network.TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: we have no idea what the US Gov't, indeed, any gov't is up to.
Indeed, and it's pretty clear that Chinese tech is overtaking US tech, as is their tech education, and as are the sheer numbers of incredibly highly qualified and experienced tech people working for their security services.
So whatever tech the US has got, there's a bloody good chance that the Chinese have got better. Only hubris would say otherwise, and we all know what hubris comes before (it depends on the dictionary, but my favourite is "huckabuck").
And, as has been shown over and over again, the security forces in the US have a ridiculously hard time finding hackers on US soil, where there is no-one making herculean efforts to defend them.
Believe what the Ministry of Truth tells you if you like, Winston, but it's bloody obvious they're lying through their teeth.
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I don't "believe" anything and frankly don't really care. Just pointing you to info you may or may not have had. Cheers! 
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: Just pointing you to info you may or may not have had.
Sorry. I thought you were like the other guy, who is obviously caught up in worshipping some evil deity or other, and believes anything its demons tell him. I hate trying to talk sense to "believers".
I can't open that page, anyway. Security protocols, and all that.
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That's it, this discussion is over, I have already to you I refuse to discuss pink giraffes on this thread, I have no interest in talking about them, certainly not with an 11-items-in-the-10-items-or-fewer-isle person like you!!!1
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Here's the washington post article from which the other site cribbed: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-security/cia-crypto-encryption-machines-espionage/
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You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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From the article: America’s main adversaries, including the Soviet Union and China, were never Crypto customers.
And the article is relevant to this discussion because...?
How many times do I have to repeat that there is no f***ing way they could have extracted the information that they are publicising?
It's a scum-level political lie, of the type that is becoming the norm, in Western politics.
I don't know about you, but I don't like being lied to, and I lose more and more trust in people who lie to me, every time they do so.
An office called "The Department of Justice" should be so far above this kind of lying that they can't even see it, down below.
They really should rename themselves "The Ministry of Truth" -- if they were honest, they would.
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Please stop talking about pink giraffes on this thread, it isn't what the forum is for.
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The article: Russia and China never trusted the machines, and did not use them.
You: arguments that prove you wrong right
How many times do people have to lie to you, before you stop trusting their word?
Do you have an "I WANT TO BELIEVE!" poster on your wall?
Believing something just because a proven liar says so is more related to religious fervour than anything else, and you have shown nothing but such religious fervour. You are allowing liars to treat you as an idiot, and they will continue to do so, for as long as you allow it.
And -- here's a great tip for life -- as long as you let bad people treat you like an idiot, the good people will think you're an idiot, too.
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