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Re: Do you all use wysiwyg web site editors.

kmoorevs29-Jul-20 8:59

29-Jul-20 8:59

I use VS for all web development. I mostly work in the source view especially for layout, otherwise you get a bunch of auto-styles added and lose ~~control~~ your mind.

FWIW, many layout issues can be solved with tables. Smile | :)

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Re: Do you all use wysiwyg web site editors.

Gerry Schmitz29-Jul-20 9:08

Gerry Schmitz

29-Jul-20 9:08

Static or dynamic? If static, WYSIWYG (with half a plan) has you up in a day if not hours. Changing doesn't require a brain refresh.

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Re: Do you all use wysiwyg web site editors.

Jacquers29-Jul-20 21:24

Jacquers

29-Jul-20 21:24

What editor did you use?

These days with VS Code + Angular I miss having an editor.

Re: Do you all use wysiwyg web site editors.

GenJerDan29-Jul-20 21:43

GenJerDan

29-Jul-20 21:43

I used to use HoTMetaL Pro.

Now I just use the editor that came with the hosting stuff. Poke tongue | ;-P

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Re: Do you all use wysiwyg web site editors.

DumpsterJuice29-Jul-20 23:54

DumpsterJuice

29-Jul-20 23:54

You didn't say what type of project you are working on, which matters a little bit.
If you are using Visual Studio Code, or Visual Studio "Classic" - the editors are a bit different.
If its an Angular Project, you can get a lot of help using Google Material Design.

Generally what I do is start out with the standard empty page (HTML)
(I think this is a repeatable pattern you can refine)

Then one by one, fill in the fields. If the elements are out of alignment,
you can adjust, using nbsp;, if you are not sure of the CSS...

take it one field at at time, and initially ignore the alignment

I suggest you make this base template your own, by using it, and adjusting it to your liking.
Moral of the story - You need a base Template that you can use over and over again.

HTML

<!-- Main Landing page rendered with  Index.HTML-->
<table class="table" [mfData]="MyList" #mf="mfDataTable" [mfRowsOnPage]="7">
    <thead>
        <tr>
             <th>
                        <!--Field 1 -->
            </th>
			<!--Field 2 etc...-->
            <th>
            </th>

            <th>
                <!--Field 2 etc...-->
            </th>
            <th>
                
            </th>
            <th>
                
            </th>
            <th>

            </th>
            <th> Update</th>
            <th> Delete </th>
        </tr>
    </thead>
    <tbody>
        <tr>
        
        </tr>
    </tbody>
    <br/>
    <br/>
    <tr>
            <td></td>
            <td></td>
            <td></td>
            <td></td>
            <td></td>
            <td></td>
            <td></td>
        <td>
            <button (click)="addRiverRun()" class="btn btn-secondary">Add NewRiver Run</button>
        </td>
    </tr>
   
    <tfoot>
        <tr>
            <td border:0></td>

            <td></td>            
        </tr>
    </tfoot>
</table>

Keep It Simple, keep it moving.

modified 30-Jul-20 13:28pm.

Re: Do you all use wysiwyg web site editors.

Ron Anders30-Jul-20 6:03

Ron Anders

30-Jul-20 6:03

Its an MVC EF6 project so i can't use vs design view but have to wonder, try, swear repeat.

Re: Do you all use wysiwyg web site editors.

DumpsterJuice30-Jul-20 6:09

DumpsterJuice

30-Jul-20 6:09

I really Struggle with HTML and JS. I am old.

Just FYI - I think angular is much easier than VS.

You add an import to the project in Visual Studio Code - and you essentially get 99% of this stuff
for free.

The only thing being the template I sent you.
This is not easy dude.

Keep It Simple, keep it moving.

Re: Do you all use wysiwyg web site editors.

Chris Maunder30-Jul-20 7:51

Chris Maunder

30-Jul-20 7:51

(Editor's note: I moved your example into a PRE block for readability)

DumpsterJuice wrote:
you can adjust, using nbsp;,

I hate being a pedant about things like this, but please, no, never this. I get where you;re coming from (just get it done!) but aligning / layout is such an important (and relatively simple) skill to learn.

OK, while I'm at it, don't use tables. Use flexbox. I used to use tables because I specifically wanted a grid layout and browser support for divs and floats and all that was terrible. These days (and for a long time now) flex works on everything you'd need and it means your layout works on the desktop and your phone.

No sooner do you have something working well, someone will say "this looks rubbish on a phone" and you find yourself in a deep hole. Learn the basics and you'll never look back.

Just my 2c,

cheers
Chris Maunder

Re: Do you all use wysiwyg web site editors.

Member 972126730-Jul-20 2:16

Member 9721267

30-Jul-20 2:16

Wygiwys (what you get is what you see) is the norm. Wysiwyg seems like a distant dream. Smile | :)

Re: Do you all use wysiwyg web site editors.

Bruce Patin30-Jul-20 3:52

Bruce Patin

30-Jul-20 3:52

I don't like wysiwyg in general.

I took over a project from someone who conceptually needed it. Buttons and fields didn't quite line up, so he "fixed" them with spaces and whatnot. It wasn't perfect, did not adapt well to different fonts or window sizes or use as controls, and the code behind it, which he didn't look at, was a horrid mess. It took me a long time to fix the HTML so that it looked good every time and was easier to add fields and buttons or otherwise modify without breaking it all.

Re: Do you all use wysiwyg web site editors.

Chris Maunder30-Jul-20 7:26

Chris Maunder

30-Jul-20 7:26

We carefully select only the finest, highest quality DIVs, SPANs and other HTML tags through our exclusive network of boutique HTML tag suppliers. Each piece is checked, unit tested, and inspected for imperfections before being sent to our development team. There, they carefully sort and match all tag to create only the best sets of open and closing tag pairs. They fit so well you couldn't even slip a WBR between them.

Once the basic structure is built we employ artisan coders with only the finest arm tatts and beards. All Javascript is hand rolled, hand crafted, and optimised in a three stage process.

There are no comments. Ever.

All CSS, fonts, sprites and the finest Corinthian SVG fonts are sourced and imported from Italy and Spain. Assembly is carried out in temperature controlled caves in the foothills of the Icelandic plateaus. The crisp air, low noise pollution and constant temperature ensure consistent build process free of imperfections.

Deployment is, again, all done by hand by our white-glove deployment team in a positive-pressure clean room.

cheers
Chris Maunder

Re: Do you all use wysiwyg web site editors.

willichan30-Jul-20 8:46

willichan

30-Jul-20 8:46

When it comes to web development, I definitely would not be considered a pro. Generally, what I create is not for public facing systems. I do more "internal use" systems. My stuff is so simplistic, that I don't bother with WYSIWYG.

I stick with the tried-and-true layouts for the general, functional page flow using DIVs and CSS; header, footer, left/utility pane, right/content. When it comes to forms, however, I just tell all the <table> haters to take a long walk of a short pier, and do it in the old school way that just plain works.

If I had to worry about screen readers, I might put a little effort into doing a form without the tables, but that has never been a requirement for any of my projects. I usually have to concern myself more with multi-language support.

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Re: Do you all use wysiwyg web site editors.

John Wellbelove31-Jul-20 23:16

John Wellbelove

31-Jul-20 23:16

That's the one I use, but I'm not a professional web designer, just a programmer that needs a website.

CCC solution

Peter_in_278029-Jul-20 3:06

Peter_in_2780

29-Jul-20 3:06

NONLINEAR

The original idea was an anagram of RAN ONLINE.

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Re: CCC solution

OriginalGriff29-Jul-20 3:07

OriginalGriff

29-Jul-20 3:07

Um ... Greg got that nearly two hours ago ... so you should probably tell him he's up tomorrow! Big Grin | :-D

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Re: CCC solution

Greg Utas29-Jul-20 3:09

Greg Utas

29-Jul-20 3:09

No worries...I'm sure you'll "Oi!" me. Laugh | :laugh:

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Re: CCC solution

Peter_in_278029-Jul-20 14:50

Peter_in_2780

29-Jul-20 14:50

You fooled me. The email I got of your original answer was missing one word. The answer. All I got was your "Never heard.." remark.
I'm guessing you posted the message, then edited it within the 5 second rule (which is longer than 5 seconds).
So when I came back a couple of hours later, I didn't bother to check your message, on the basis I'd already read it...

So yes, all yours for tomorrow (well, today in this timezone Poke tongue | ;-P

)

Cheers,
Peter

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Re: CCC solution

Greg Utas30-Jul-20 0:03

Greg Utas

30-Jul-20 0:03

Yes, I think I did edit it.

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What a great month for me here

honey the codewitch29-Jul-20 2:50

honey the codewitch

29-Jul-20 2:50

I wrote some articles, got a lot of thank yous, which warms my black little heart.

Finally learning the TPL/TAP/Task framework provided me with some great fodder for articles.

I loved learning it, I loved writing about it, and I love the responses I got.

So now I want to turn my sights on some other dark corners of .NET, but I'm wondering if I should start with diving into the stuff behind expression trees or something else.

I'll take requests at this point, since I've shelved the project I *was* going to work on for reasons.

Anyway, thanks to anyone that responded, voted, whatever this month as it put a smile on my face.

Real programmers use butterflies

Re: What a great month for me here

Garth J Lancaster29-Jul-20 2:57

Garth J Lancaster

29-Jul-20 2:57

I was wondering what happened - I thought maybe 'work' got in the way

Quote:
expression trees

are good - Jeremy Likeness was also working on such eg Dynamically Build LINQ Expressions .. one of these days I hope someone can go from string -> parser -> expression tree dynamically ..

Else, I'm sure you'll find some mischief to get into Laugh | :laugh:

Re: What a great month for me here

honey the codewitch29-Jul-20 3:02

honey the codewitch

29-Jul-20 3:02

I saw that, and it's what made me think of it, though I was more thinking of doing some exploratory articles vs. producing a tool/component. Smile | :)

I tried the exploratory approach to my articles this month and got a lot of good responses so I think I'll try it again.

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Re: What a great month for me here

honey the codewitch29-Jul-20 3:04

honey the codewitch

29-Jul-20 3:04

Oh as far as the service project - I'd have to rewrite Microsoft's ServiceBase class to make what I wanted do what I wanted, how I wanted, and I'm not sure it's worth it. The idea smells funny, so I'm going to stew on the design some more and see if I can't work out a better option.

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Re: What a great month for me here

Chris Maunder30-Jul-20 7:52

Chris Maunder

30-Jul-20 7:52

And thanks in return for learning, teaching and sharing.

cheers
Chris Maunder

GCC_COLOR setting

Gisle Vanem29-Jul-20 2:12

Gisle Vanem

29-Jul-20 2:12

Anybody here that use a recent gcc on Windows and have managed to set
a sensible GCC_COLOR env-variable?

I've read the manual on the subject, but still fail to get it.

I use a console with blue background and gcc 9.2 from TDM-MinGW.
But no matter what I do, gcc at exit goes back to black background.
The result look like shait. Like here: http://watt-32.net/misc/gcc-cooked-up-colours.png

If I change to GCC_COLORS=error=33;1 etc. and do the same erroneous command,
I do get a yellow error. So it works somehow.
Current I use a set error=31;1:warning=44;1:note=44;39;1:caret=44;38:locus=33;44:quote=1;44.
AFAIC, a ;44 should set to default background colour, but it doesn't.
Please help!

-- Gisle V.

Re: GCC_COLOR setting

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter29-Jul-20 2:44

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

29-Jul-20 2:44

I managed to set the perfect color combination for GCC errors...

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