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Greg Utas2-Sep-20 11:27

2-Sep-20 11:27

That's why I find politics offensive. Choosing masters who think they know what is best for entire populations and are willing to enforce it with violence.

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C^hris L^osinger3-Sep-20 1:44

C^hris L^osinger

3-Sep-20 1:44

politics is what happens when people interact, no more no less.

Greg Utas3-Sep-20 2:30

3-Sep-20 2:30

politics is what happens when people interact with the implicit threat of violence, no more no less

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C^hris L^osinger3-Sep-20 2:31

C^hris L^osinger

3-Sep-20 2:31

violence isn't necessary. [and libertarianism is a moral dead end]

politics is people trying to convince other people to do something. it's how people interact.

Greg Utas3-Sep-20 2:39

3-Sep-20 2:39

For those who practice politics, violence is necessary when convincing others (negotiation) fails.

It seems clear that we're not going to agree, even on definitions.

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C^hris L^osinger3-Sep-20 2:47

C^hris L^osinger

3-Sep-20 2:47

no, violence is not necessary. it's a possibility, but it's neither inevitable nor necessary.

have you never heard of compromise or simply, gasp, not getting your way?

Greg Utas3-Sep-20 2:57

3-Sep-20 2:57

Sure I've heard of those things. They happen regularly. But in all my dealings, I want those outcomes to be voluntary, whether for me or someone else.

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Dan Neely31-Aug-20 2:37

Dan Neely

31-Aug-20 2:37

Were the options to the survey ninja updated?

W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
One cannot choose "no front end"

I don't do front-end web development

W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
"I like it naked"

Vanilla JS

W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
"I roll my own".

Arguably also Vanilla JS; just with a higher degree of code reuse.

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Sander Rossel31-Aug-20 3:54

Sander Rossel

31-Aug-20 3:54

You can literally choose all of those.
I don't do front-end web development, Vanilla JS and/or other are what you're looking for.
Maybe the survey guru is writing a book, but you can't even read so why do you care? Confused | :confused:

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Best framework is no framework :-D

ZurdoDev31-Aug-20 4:02

ZurdoDev

31-Aug-20 4:02

W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
One cannot choose "no front end"

Ya, that is an option. D'Oh! | :doh:

Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.

Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

Efe Erdoğru30-Aug-20 21:22

Efe Erdoğru

30-Aug-20 21:22

I'm currently using Vue, and love it. But if I have to stuck with a framework, my choice will be no framework. Or, maybe wasm...

Re: Best framework is no framework :-D

Nelek2-Sep-20 0:18

Nelek

2-Sep-20 0:18

Be careful with that[^] Wink | ;)

M.D.V.

If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

Re: Best framework is no framework :-D

Efe Erdoğru2-Sep-20 2:40

Efe Erdoğru

2-Sep-20 2:40

Anything that didn't involve HTML and / or Javascript

OriginalGriff30-Aug-20 21:07

OriginalGriff

30-Aug-20 21:07

Isn't it time we moved to a binary webpage model? Why do we stick with a frankly piss-poor web delivery mechanism just because it started out human readable for ease of debugging?

Even in HTML5 version, it's a bad design that's been hacked to death and isn't fit for purpose in the modern world.

Sorry ... didn't mean to rant here.

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Re: Anything that didn't involve HTML and / or Javascript

W∴ Balboos, GHB31-Aug-20 0:59

W∴ Balboos, GHB

31-Aug-20 0:59

Just an aside - HTML is essentially XML - and that's running heavily in VS for some time now. Wouldn't that be a better place to rant?

Else, it must have some redeeming characteristic - like how would extensibility (which is implicit - the browser works as best as it can even for new and unsupported features)

Can we do so for binary? Perhaps stored in each browsers HTML.dll file? How to handle all this. Certainly not impossible but will it really improve things?

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Nelek30-Aug-20 19:31

Nelek

30-Aug-20 19:31

I don't do web Big Grin | :-D

M.D.V.

ZurdoDev31-Aug-20 4:02

ZurdoDev

31-Aug-20 4:02

Nelek wrote:
I don't do web

And don't bother learning either. It is just a fad.

Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.

Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

Forogar 31-Aug-20 5:01

Forogar

31-Aug-20 5:01

I try not to do web but get dragged into it all the time. We don't use any of these frameworks, just JS, jQuery and something for layout/formatting called Bootstrap.

- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

#realJSOP4-Sep-20 0:27

#realJSOP

4-Sep-20 0:27

What I wish is that MS come up with a c# version of javascript. Strongly typed, and a language most of their web devs are familiar with. How could they go wrong?

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Dennis_E14-Sep-20 5:34

Dennis_E

14-Sep-20 5:34

Isn't Typescript a step towards that direction?

#realJSOP14-Sep-20 23:31

#realJSOP

14-Sep-20 23:31

IMHO, no. It's still javascript. I want to code client side in c#. If the "compiler" converts it to javascript, that's fine, but I want to code in c#.

Dennis_E15-Sep-20 2:34

Dennis_E

15-Sep-20 2:34

Yeah, I would like that, too.