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yacCarsten6-Dec-20 22:20

yacCarsten

6-Dec-20 22:20

Policeman => Cop
battered => anagram
in curse => ernicus

astronomer => Copernicus

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OriginalGriff6-Dec-20 22:40

OriginalGriff

6-Dec-20 22:40

And you are up tomorrow! Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

super6-Dec-20 22:22

super

6-Dec-20 22:22

Good one

cheers,

Super

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musefan6-Dec-20 23:27

musefan

6-Dec-20 23:27

I second that Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

I'm having a hard time with articles lately.

Greg Utas7-Dec-20 2:06

Greg Utas

7-Dec-20 2:06

thirded

Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

honey the codewitch6-Dec-20 13:31

6-Dec-20 13:31

I've been writing IoT stuff a lot lately because I've been building them for work, and for fun for that matter as of late.

They're really great, but they make it a challenge for me to come up with content. I feel like my articles are necessarily shorter, more like tips because it's not nice to just throw a bunch of libraries at an embedded device just to abstract, nor is it easy to make one that's general purpose, so what you wind up with are spells, or if you must "recipes" more than anything: "Here's the general idea, tweak it to taste and effect" and there you go.

And the trick I think, with getting good at these, is getting a bunch of these spells/recipes together, and also getting good at creating them.

Spells and recipes make for garbage coding articles but great cooking articles - see hansel and gretel of the brothers grimm. They really do. They're more art than technical skill. I love them for that, but teaching magic to other people can be tricky. And cooking wayward children is NSFW.

So I'm not really sure where to go with a lot of these. I can't provide readers with nifty drop in coding gadgets, it's all cut to fit. And by that I mean you better know how to use a multi-meter as well as get by without a debugger just for the basics.

I don't know. I feel like the ones I write tend to leave the reader with less than I'd like but I have nothing consistent to offer that would satisfy both me and I think, them.

Hmmm.

Real programmers use butterflies

Mircea Neacsu6-Dec-20 14:50

Mircea Neacsu

6-Dec-20 14:50

Have you thought of blogging? It might be a more appropriate form than technical articles.

Mircea

honey the codewitch6-Dec-20 14:51

6-Dec-20 14:51

I don't really have an existing platform, and am frankly, not looking to manage my own readership, if that makes sense.

Real programmers use butterflies

Gerry Schmitz6-Dec-20 21:10

Gerry Schmitz

6-Dec-20 21:10

There's programming; and there's electronics. (Soldering!?)

It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

honey the codewitch7-Dec-20 1:09

7-Dec-20 1:09

And then there's IoT development which is an unholy union of the two. Big Grin | :-D

Real programmers use butterflies

Jörgen Andersson6-Dec-20 22:24

Jörgen Andersson

6-Dec-20 22:24

There's nothing wrong with tips, you can improve them into articles later, when you get your inspiration back.

Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger

honey the codewitch7-Dec-20 1:53

7-Dec-20 1:53

They will probably never be articles, if only because their nature resists article format. Everything is one-off - requires modification. Everything is a starter project because there aren't any grand frameworks or fancy libraries for the most part.

Having said that, I am writing a JSON library for them that's probably as fancy as I'll ever get with libraries on these things. That at least, will be an article. I'm porting my LexContext to IoT which is actually pretty cool.

The exception to all this is completed devices like my smart clock - since i dictate all the hardware and software end to end, I can fashion a complete article around it.

Real programmers use butterflies

megaadam6-Dec-20 22:45

megaadam

6-Dec-20 22:45

Providing bare recipes is fine! And just explain that "This code illustrates the bare necessities. In a real system you must do 1,2,3,4 ... error handling, logging, better modularisation, ..., ..., ...
"

"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"

honey the codewitch7-Dec-20 1:49

7-Dec-20 1:49

Well, yes expect the recipes in this case often require modification, not just addition. It's cut-to-fit like I said - one of the downsides of no frameworks and disparate hardware.

Real programmers use butterflies

why am I learning Go?

raddevus6-Dec-20 8:57

raddevus

6-Dec-20 8:57

I started reading this book, The Go Programming Language, The (Addison-Wesley Professional Computing Series) 1st Edition (Donovan & Kernighan)[^], on a whim, just to see what Go was all about and now I'm discovering how nice the language is.

Interestingly, this book will remind you of the old book K&R C (and Brian Kernighan is one of the authors).

Here are a couple of interesting things that Go does:
1) makes it very easy to build to a native Exe --
a) on Linux you can just do

C++

$ go build hello.go

That will build the native exe named hello and it even handles making the file executable (no need to run chmod 777)
b) There's not a huge toolchain to learn. Just use the Go command. it's kind of nice.
2) Go is "smaller" and so it feels like the days of past when you could actually wrap your head around a language instead of feeling like you could never learn it all.
3) It makes retrieving data over HTTP much easier than other languages -- more like just opening a file.
4) It cleans up concurrency issues / makes them easier to handle
It feels like learning a language that keeps you focused. Sometimes stuff is so huge now that you are going in a million directions with various tech like CSS, HTML, JavaScript, Angular, TypeScript.

Now, I'm just interested in why I might choose Go over something like Rust (or vice-versa).

Have you tried out Go? What have your experiences with it been?

modified 6-Dec-20 15:07pm.

RickZeeland6-Dec-20 9:21

RickZeeland

6-Dec-20 9:21

Always wanted to try it out, but never came round to it.
Here some Pros and Cons of Go are listed:
modern-compiled-garbage-collected-and-minimalistic-programming-languages-for-developing-fast-reliable-deskt~golang[^] $Shucks | :-\$

raddevus6-Dec-20 9:54

raddevus

6-Dec-20 9:54

That’s another positive about learning Go : you can get tools installed quickly and try it out with low impact. Probably get it set up in 5 minutes if you already have VS Code.

That’s a nice list on that slant url. Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

Garth J Lancaster6-Dec-20 17:13

Garth J Lancaster

6-Dec-20 17:13

I see that list has 'CON no GUI Designer' .. yet I don't think that's actually a CON - Go is good at what is is intended for, and as far as I'm led to believe, that doesn't included GUI's anyway - we all know there are better languages for GUI's/Front-Ends

RickZeeland6-Dec-20 19:34

RickZeeland

6-Dec-20 19:34

That's true, but a lot of (old farts) like me are used to having a GUI designer, guess it all depends what purpose you will be using a language for ...

Gaston Verelst7-Dec-20 22:17

Gaston Verelst

7-Dec-20 22:17

Of course you are referring to VB6 Smile | :)

Check out my blog at http://msdev.pro/

den2k886-Dec-20 11:21

den2k88

6-Dec-20 11:21

raddevus wrote:
(no need to run chmod 777)

There never is. chmod a+x would be a better choice.

GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

raddevus6-Dec-20 12:01

raddevus

6-Dec-20 12:01

Haha I always forget my chmod values.
I was trying to say make it exe for everyone.
These are the things I’ve googled for 15 years. Laugh | :laugh:

I’m terrible about memorizing things. Let the internet remember for me. Laugh | :laugh:

Nelek6-Dec-20 12:18

Nelek

6-Dec-20 12:18

raddevus wrote:
I’m terrible about memorizing things. Let the internet remember for me.

“Never memorize something that you can look up.”
― Albert Einstein

I have bad memory for some things too... I have always used this quote everytime that I forgot a formula or something like that. Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

The "kiss my ass" variation when someone was trying to piss me off was:
I prefer to use my brain understanding things, because I can always look up what I forget. In your case is more difficult Cool | :cool:

M.D.V.

If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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