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Phil J Pearson wrote: it and if they did they wouldn't even try to understand it.
FTFY
If at least there were willingness... 
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Phil J Pearson wrote: against the anti-vaxers
I don't mind them, actually. I think holding that mind set is prima facie evidence that your existence does not contribute to the welfare of the human race. Since they won't get the vaccine, plus they also tend to be anti-maskers, natural selection should be taking a hand right quickly.
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Low 80's is bad! I really hope you fully recover.
A chance of dying or getting permanently disabled has never changed the opinion of an anti-vaxxer I'm afraid.
We need to tell them they might get erectile dysfunction to get them to change their opinion. (Yes, that's apparently also on the list)
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And hair loss!
(27% of Covid sufferers lose hair in handfuls apparently - I did!)
Never mind the really nasty stuff, tell 'em they'll look cr@p in selfies and they might decide to get jabbed.
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OriginalGriff wrote: tell 'em they'll look cr@p in selfies and they might decide to get jabbed
Nah! Don't say anything. Just let them die/get very ill. It's a win win!
And wishing herself and yourself a full recovery.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: A chance of dying or getting permanently disabled has never changed the opinion of an anti-vaxxer
Well, I can put a positive spin on that: there's not enough vaccine to go around so you ask them once, then, if they say "no", the nurse replies with "NEXT !".
Now I'd no want to be in the first group of mass vaccinations - and I'm not. Probably some months ahead for me. Plenty of time for any (likely) ill effects to have manifested in the first groups (and the UK, they having taken point). I have grandchildren I'd like to visit while they're still small enough to pick up.
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I hope you and your wife get better soon. Don't know what else to say about that. I hear that long term recovery for some patients is a nightmare. Ugh.
I have pre-existing medical conditions, so I am always worried about this 24/7. I am in a state of when am I going to get COVID vs. if I am going to get COVID.
I will not get the vaccine right away. I am going to wait a bit and see what the initial outcomes are after the first releases are done (people over 65, front line medical workers, etc.). If things look positive, then I will get the vaccine for sure.
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Pretty much my attitude is the same as yours, although I'm in the >65 group. That being said, the UK has gone ahead and the most likely acute affects will be showing themselves before the first vaccinations will be available in the US (or pretty much anywhere else in the west).
States will be doing their own prioritization - good luck on where you happen to live.
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They have started saying "if you carry an Epipen you shouldn't have it": Covid-19 vaccine: Allergy warning over new jab[^]
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I take an anti-arthritis drug that's an immune system inhibitor. In particular, I'm to avoid "live" vaccines - fortunately, neither of the two varieties first developed are even dead virus'. I saw a bottle (on TV or online, I forget which) of the Chinese vaccine: it's old-school: described as "deactivated". I'd be out of luck.
As for the immunosuppressor - made me, at first, more nervous. As it turns out (empirical results), those who take this type (TNF suppressor) are significantly less likely to end up in ICU. It makes some sense as much of the worst harm from COVID is by one's own immune system.
Allergic reactions to shots - true, really, for just about all of them. Some are cultured with eggs. At one time (still?) others used horses as (live) hosts. My immunosuppresor is produced using cultured/cloned hamster cells. Fortunately, there will be multiple versions of the vaccine - and presuming the substrates vary as much as the vaccines, there will be something safe for everyone.
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Not the worst thing we've done with vaccines.
Back in the early 1800's, the King of Spain decided to inoculate all holdings in South America against smallpox (a damn good idea) - but the journey was too long by ship. So ... orphans were rounded up and one was given the vaccine, he developed the immunity so they took take their blood and put it in the next orphan who develops the immunity and repeat the process all the way across the Atlantic. The British Empire did much the same with low caste Indian boys.
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I'm always worried about Mrs. in my mental background. The empathy is palpable.
The secretary of my lodge was an early adopter of COVID - he's in a condition much like yours. He still doesn't feel well. Tired and uncomfortable look.
As I posted elsewhere in the thread, per those who don't want to get vaccinated: supplies are very limited. Ask once, then just move on to the next person. Those hoping to take advantage of a supposed "herd immunity" (i.e., sponge their well being off the rest of us) - will find out that it's still lurking about looking for victims (we are food). The hospitals may not be overcrowded anymore but the results all too often are long term.
I hope for your sake, and her-self's, that the damage can heal.
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Dang hope all turns out alright.
Seems lately that more and more people we know have either had it or currently have it. Nasty business!
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Mike Hankey wrote: Seems lately that more and more people we know have either had it or currently have it. Nasty business!
That's what pisses me off the most of this damned thing...
From all the ones having it in my known people, almost none of them are the "anti-rules" or "anti-waxxers" or similars...
I would have hope that darwin gets to work, but looks like dumbness makes COVID inmune 
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We're selling our town house and the real estate agent came and told us that her daughter had COVID.
My better half dealt with her but after she left she told me what the woman had said and my response was; "What the f*** was she doing here?" What is wrong with people?
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Mike Hankey wrote: What is wrong with people?
These are the exact same people that need "CAUTION: Coffee is extremely hot!" messages.
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Yep
The real problem is they breed.
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Mike Hankey wrote: The real problem is they breed.
And that no random genetic mutation makes their next generations get some common sense 
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Common sense is so uncommon!
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Yep, I knew I saw something similar somewhere but my super power is forgetfulness. 
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Mike Hankey wrote: What is wrong with people?
Well, apart from the plain stupid you mean?
It's quite clear to me that this epidemic is disproportionally affecting poor people, and that's not just because they're stupid, (well some obviously are), but rather because they have "essential" jobs that they cannot afford staying home from. Especially in some countries where sick pay isn't enforced, which makes it a double whammy in this case.
I don't think real estate agents are essential in any way, but I do believe they have provision based salary.
I also believe there is a lot you need to do in person as a real estate agent, so I guess their "common sense" get quite blunted after a while.
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Nelek wrote: From all the ones having it in my known people, almost none of them are the "anti-rules" or "anti-waxxers" or similars...
Honestly, how many of those do you know?
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People don't following the voluntary (lockdown is forced so it is another thing) social distancing in Spain... around 20
In Germany around 20 too
Anti Vaxxers in spain... no numbers
In Germany 5 (not only Covid related vaccines, normal ones too and they have kids )
Some even went to the demonstrations and all of them are (still) healthy.
Infected people I would say around 30 to 40 people in Spain (3 of them ended in death) and 5 in Germany (low to mid severity)
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Funny really. I don't know any antivaxxers at all.
I also don't know anyone that's been sick either. Apparently some temp worker at my wife's job had it in the spring, and a teacher at my sons school, otherwise it's just Griff.
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