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I agree with pretty much all of this. Except for the smart part. Even idiots can code with me, I'm pretty dim, but I'm good at magic.
Real programmers use butterflies
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I don't consider myself an idiot and even I can't follow half of what you say (especially the parts that aren't about code) 
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That would be the magic. Some people call it crazy. 
Real programmers use butterflies
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But there are times (less so for me these days though) when "buddy programming" or whatever you want to call it, has helped us steam through some work - plus the benefits of peer-review on the fly.
I've also been put into the position of being "forced" to double-up when it was inappropriate - don't you just love it when management get hold of new ideas
Just as one programming language is not "the best" for all scenarios, one technique is not the best either. But there is a worst - "coding as a team"? You'll never sell me that one.
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CHill60 wrote: "buddy programming" or whatever you want to call it
about 15 years ago, they called it "extreme coding". I don't know how it got that name.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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same reason nerds like to call it DevOps. Sounds cool like SpecOps.
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Because it invoked extreme responses from those of us unfortunate to have to do it?
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I had to do it once.
My boss decided it would be a good thing to try out, so he sat with me while i was coding. Every 20 minutes or so, he'd ask if i wanted to compile, and i told him, "not yet".
After almost 4 hours, and 1000 lines of code, I said, "Okay, I'm ready".
Not only did it compile, but it ran with a couple of minor issues the first time.
He threw up his hands and said it was the most impressive thing he'd ever seen, and left my office. I was never saddled with extreme programming again.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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CHill60 wrote: don't you just love it when management get hold of new ideas
You made me realize something with that statement at this time. Not that it's a new idea to most of us but sometimes it just clicks.
Until now, I never realized the perks of being amongst the programmers of a business who's product is not software. Aside from one jerk of a director (who's since been fired) that told me I must code a project in Visual FoxPro, no one ever tells me anything more than what they want something to do when the dust settles. I've gotten enough of a reputation that even some pretty big management will accept a "No" from me on things - at least to the point of listening to why I say that something is a bad way to do something - particularly when they understood that it's easier for me to code it then to argue against it: that I really mean there's a problem and I'd rather do it right the first time.
Although there are project managers dripping from the walls, no one bothers us in our little world of coding.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: no one bothers us in our little world of coding.
I am so jealous right now
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I can make you feel better (and me, worse):
I have near total autonomy at this point - BUT I'm seriously underpaid. The extreme autonomy is what they gave me when I demanded a raise. I was going to walk, but my (real) boss (who doesn't have any power of the pay checks) pointed out that they pretty much gave me the Golden Ticket (as in Willy Wonka). He's been a real solid colleague and I'm staying around pretty much for him.
At this point, between pensions, SSA, interest and dividends, I make more money as so called "unearned income" then from work. I could turn my back, phart, and slam the door as I leave.
Meanwhile, although I code alone I'm a very willing teacher. My heir-apparent, unfortunately, had been kept too busy by the mighty managers to even come once/week for lessons and insight on what he's going to work with when he replaces me - at this point there's no-one. The code, as it is, will run and cover their needs for year - but no one to cover.
So - I have autonomy, but not much of a paycheck (we're talking a shortfall of something like US$25-30K/yr). Obviously, since I'm still here, I value the autonomy and a good 'boss' more than the money and am blessed to be able to afford to do so.
It'd make a good survey - "how much money is it worth to you to be how autonomous?"
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I had a situation like that 8 years ago.
Then the team started to get disbanded, the new co-workers were way less in my wave. My boss knew what he had with me, but I got the impression of getting stuck and...
when I decided to move in with my girlfriend into another city... I started to search. 90 Km one way conmute everyday was not for me.
Now I miss some things from back then, but my live quality is much better now.
Before I was 80% of the time on the way, now I have slept two nights in a hotel in 26 months.
Before I was doing 10 to 12 hours a day, I now make 7 to 8,5 hours
I get paid more, I don't have to travel, I have more free time to be with my family in my daily routine...
But on the other hand... burocracy and big OEM PITA in some things have come over to stay. At least what I have to do is mostly fun and the other programmer is in the same wave as me.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Nelek wrote: when I decided to move in with my girlfriend
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Nelek wrote: my live quality is much better now.
Ah ha. Ah ha. Ah ha.
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Coding is 20% of the job, rarely more. I am a professional, usually more experienced in coding than my coworkers, so I prefer going solo.
For the remaining part of the job? Teamworking whenever possible. Design, testing, validation, troubleshooting, patch planning are best done in a team.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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+1
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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