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SteveH wrote: Brits complaining about not being able to get a decent cup of tea when outside of the UK
This reminded me of Eric Idle's diatribe in MP's Travel Agency sketch, which is one of their great ones. 
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Absolute classic. 
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5teveH wrote: I like to ease gently into the day.
Wish I could adopt that philosophy.
I start my day as one would being jolted violently from a bad nightmare - with as much caffeine as my heart will allow. 
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5teveH wrote: I only add about a teaspoon of milk
A teaspoon for tea, a soup spoon for soup, a coffee spoon for coffee, and a dessert spoon for desserts. But why do we have a table spoon?
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jsc42 wrote: But why do we have a table spoon?
for the peas and mashed potatoes.
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I'm trying to follow the chapter on Swing in this book already for second hour and I can't even draw and simple image yet... The code is missing. He writes a method than never used it, shows a snippet of a code and doesn't expalin where to put that snippet. Than he jumps to another topic without showing how to implement what he showed earlier. Than he writes a whole code and puts methods in there which never are used in main method or anywhere in the book and aren't even continuation of what he was showing before. Some code doesn't work eithe and needs to be, ironically fixed by a noob himself so that it actually work. How could his book on Java Fundamentals get so good reviews? Like chapters up to inheritannce are okay, but after this the book is just beyond horrible.
And it's not me being stupid because I learned a lot more from udemy, Youtube and David.J.Barnes' book "Objects First with java" in 15 minutes than by reading this book for many hours. I'm sitting like a detective and try to get what this guy means and solve the mysterium of how to create and image and I'm done! I'll just look it up on Youtube and throw this book in to the recycling bin. What's wrong with java book writers? Are something wrong with their brains? Why are they so bad at teaching and communicating? Why c++ developer can write books but java developer can't? Have someone a theory on that? I just would like to sit with one book and have a structered studying, chapter by chapter like when I read Deitel's books but it's impossible witth those java books. They are really putting me off from learning java 
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Member 14971499 wrote: What's wrong with java book writers?
Nothing, any more the C++, C#, Algol ... writers. It is just that some books are better than others. The one I learned from years ago was basically The Java™ Tutorials[^]. Give it a try.
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A very many years ago I was trying to bootstrap into SQL/database programming via C++. Well, in order for a quick start I got one of those books in the series "_______ programming in 30 days", later to eventually become "in 24 hours".
Well, the damn book only talked in terms of FoxPro. Finally, I actually emailed the author and it turns out the nitwit only knew FoxPro ! The later titles, where 30 days became 24 hours says more than I could.
Apparently, one didn't need any more knowledge to write a book than to know a publisher.
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Wow  What a story. I was so angry at Hortsmann that I wanted to write to him email as well, but I didn't want to be mean... so I didn't  But sometimes when I read those books I have the same feeling like... Is he that bad at expalining or he simply can't do that himself? Because I understand that some books can be hard to learn from, because they are maybe too advanced or maybe too boring or maybe badly explained but still they have an explanation, they communicate something but some books, and especially this... well... the information is simply not there (!). Even if I find something hard to understand I read it all over again but in this book... I can't read it again because there is nothing to unerstand, because the information is absent. For example he writes a code like this:
public void paintComponent(Graphics g) {
var g2 = (Graphics2D) g;
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}
Than he never uses this method and I have no clue what to put into g parameter if I guess I use it in main? Other classes don't never use this method either... and where this g2 come from? Where did he crate an object of this unkown class. "var" doesn't say anything to me so I have no clue, what this class is and he doesn't reveal that either in his book.... And than he writes something like:
Image image = new ImageIcon(filename).getImage();
My comment: And again this mysterious method with that mysterious g which is casted from g2, that I don't know where to put instead if I would to use it in main just to see how that works...
public void paintComponent(Graphics g) {
g.drawImage(mage, x,y,null);
My comment: And where do I get this g from ... I don't get anything  How did that happen and where was that mysterious g created? Of course if I want to use it... again, I guess in main or anywhere... but where is this g-object created so I can put it in the parameter and use this method? what da... 
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And I own plenty of books like this Do you understand my frustration now?
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Yeah, I will start doing it before I go crazy, but personally I prefer reading books. They are more gentle on the eyes, I can make notes, mark the last chapter that I read and I am not getting distracted by a reference to a link that leads to another link that is a refence to a bunch of links like it's always a case with websites. But I don't have much choice. Thanks for advice
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The Java Tutorials don't do that. They are nicely laid out with helpful links, which make them very easy to navigate. And bookmarking your place when you want a break is not exactly difficult.
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Did you bother to notify the author or the publisher? Complaining here about it is not going to solve the problem.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
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David Crow wrote: Complaining here about it is not going to solve the problem.
In that case, shut down the Lounge. 
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Burn the heretic!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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And use Hortsmann's book to set the fire lol
I'm just joking haha 
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Yeah, I would like to do that. So far I only left a bad review on an online store, where I bought this book from. But I don't know how it would help to write to him, becuase a person who publishes a book like that, simply doesn't care and half of the book is worth to be put into the garabage can. And besides... I have many books like that on my bookshelf. "Java for dummies" isn't better either but still, it was at least cheap, but this is book was a robbery and it got so good reviews. I wonder if those who left those 5-star reviews really read those later chapter page by page just as I did or maybe something is wrong with me 
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I found the "nutshell" (C#, Java, Regular Expressions, etc.) books generally useful. One needs to connect with the "mind" of the writer; which is not always possible.
https://www.amazon.ca/Java-Nutshell-Desktop-Quick-Reference/dp/1449370829
Even though they're called a "reference", they include the basics.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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After having the damn thing, you may remember that Herself and I most noticed a large amount of hair loss some weeks or months later - I lost about 3/4 of the thickness of my ponytail and was debating shaving my head instead if it got any thinner (it's about the thickness of my finger, which is borderline for maintaining a pony really).
But ... I've got signs that it's coming back, and so does Herself!
Not a lot yet - just short little hairs are the front edge of the hairline for us both - but that's a good sign!
Turns out it causes something called "Telogen Effluvium" is to blame, and the first sign of recovery from that is - you guessed it - short little hairs appearing on the front edge of the hairline.
It'll probably take a few years to get the "full pony" back, but at least we can both be sure that it will eventually regrow.*
* Which means I'll be back to spending a small fortune on shampoo again. 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Hair..., hair serve no purpose.
-- Carlo the envious
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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The Lounge[^]
Which is a logical full circle - no hair increases the chances of brain damage and thus the inability to see the importance of hair.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: no hair increases the chances of brain damage and thus the inability to see the importance of hair.
This is a logical circle. 
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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OriginalGriff wrote: Which means I'll be back to spending a small fortune on shampoo again
That's better than spending a small fortune on hair-restorer quacks... 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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