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Not a problem - more tucker for the crocs, spiders and snakes. And we already have a large proportion of idiots (SB - Australian politics)
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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The trouble is that wisdom is finite, but stupidity is a renewable resource.
Or at least it's a problem for now, until we can figure out a way to generate power with it.
Real programmers use butterflies
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honey the codewitch wrote: until we can figure out a way to generate power with it.
Giant treadmills? 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Vaccine is the most idiotic step you can do AFTER flu (yes, COVID is a flu!) came into country - TOO LATE, too useless.
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What about all the people who haven't had COVID yet? You seem to be speaking with the assumption that every person has already had it before.
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Unfortunately, EVERY single guavament did everything to EXTEND(!) period of flu - yes, by these lockdowns, "sit at home" and other idiocity. Anyway, more than a year past since the first mass flu. What you think, will vaccine from "previous year stamm" helps today?? Did you hear anything about mutations?
COVID mutates (as any normal flu) and when you become infected - just question of time. EARLIER IS BETTER, because all of us must at once get this crap and heal. Only this way we can eliminate virus in a shortest period.
Of course morons who "rule the world" don't need "easy way" - they need to eliminate "middle class", downgrade economy and return you to 19th century. They even don't need 5G  - it's enough to kill middle business (what exactly is happen right now).
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So you are saying you are an idiot if you get the vaccine after getting the flu. Since the flu epidemic in the US has reduced by 98% then this doesn't apply to most people, so what you are actually saying, logically is get the vaccine, yay! 
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Quote: the most idiotic step you can do AFTER flu
... unless of course you are taking the vaccine to prevent yourself from becoming seriously ill from catching it again (you can catch flu more than once so why not Covid-19)
Or to avoid catching one of the new variants ...
Or if you are one of the millions of people in any particular country who hasn't caught it ... yet
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Living in a country that pretended (and it seems still pretends) it's nothing special at all. Just some sort of sniffle? Those people sick and dying are just faking it?
I'll just make a mental note: we've another troll in the lounge.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Living in a country that pretended (and it seems still pretends) it's nothing special at all.
Really? I think you are referring to the US but I recall Trump shutting down travel over a year ago and many criticized him for that. Then he kept pushing to get vaccines produced and distributed.
But then on the other hand, I live in a mostly rural area and no one around here cares about wearing masks or any other prevention and some people have got it and most have been just fine. It seems that if you have been impacted very negatively then you believe Covid is very very bad and if you have not been impacted very negatively, you believe it isn't as bad as many are making it.
To each his own perspective.
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SeanChupas wrote: Really? I think you are referring to the US but I recall Trump shutting down travel over a year ago and many criticized him for that. Then he kept pushing to get vaccines produced and distributed.
Trump left handling of COVID to the states. Lounge rules prohibit further comment on this.
But in your country - one of the worst hotbed of COVID - you hide out in the country and pretend that there aren't bodies piling up world-wide - and SA has nearly 55,000 of those dead (that were reported). SO - since you don't know any of them you don't give a f*** - and don't even, I would imagine, believe they are dead based upon your original post's attitude.
SeanChupas wrote: To each his own perspective.
Ostrich's stick their head in the ground to make reality go away - and I imagine you do the same by bending over enough to stick your head up your own . . .
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Clearly I have offended you somehow. You have shown that you are too emotional to have a discussion on this topic so have a good day.
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Yes. Particularly when presented with such selfishness, a callous disregard for life is offensive to me.
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Here in Colorado, we had the usual fear monger in the Governor's office screaming about a new, more dangerous variant of COVID yesterday. Right after that clip on the news the station went to a clip at the State Health Department labs where they said they test 7% of the positive cases to determine which variant it is and they haven't seen this new variant yet.
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Or, in this case, the US healthcare industry and the COVID-19 disease.
My health took a turn for the worse about 3 months ago. All of a sudden, I was seriously short of breath when I was out walking. Nah, shuffling my feet rather than walking.
I had been previously diagnosed with myocardial bridge for which the remedy is cardiac bypass surgery.
I decided that I was not going to subject myself to the ministrations of the US healthcare industry or the financial stipulations that would be laid down by the insurance companies.
So, after getting two shots of the Pfizer vaccine in March, I looked for the first available opportunity to leave the US for India.
Reached Calcutta by April 1, where my nephew is a top-ranking physician, who had undergone training in the US. Got admitted to the hospital where medical tests revealed that I have adult onset asthma which would have caused the shortness of breath. In addition, my hemoglobin was 9 as opposed to 13.5 for a healthy male, but for the last 30 years it has been at 10.5 only without causing me too many problems. An angiogram revealed three blocked arteries. Medical protocol requires angioplasty or bypass surgery under those conditions.
A couple of days later, after a blood transfusion and infusion of some iron compound into my body, I was wheeled into the cath lab where the cardiologist put in stents in two blood vessels, deeming that the third could be managed with medication. Stayed in the hospital for two more days and got discharged before the sudden and alarming and deadly rise of COVID cases in India.
Was taken care of by young (and pretty) nurses not yet jaded by seeing too many patients and deciding that fate has more to do with patient’s conditions than nursing care. The hospital administration was employing full-time staff as opposed to deciding staffing levels based on case load. It was wonderful to be in a private suite with 5-star service.
The hospital is a US JCAH-accredited hospital so I don’t think I would have gotten better care in the US.
The bill was less than $9,000 which I gladly paid out of my pocket. It probably was less than the co-pay in the US.
I scanned the detailed bill. I was billed 0.005 US cents for an aspirin. Yes, half a cent. I remember 20 years ago reading reports that in US hospitals, aspirin was being billed at $12 a dose. Who knows how much it costs now!
So I escaped the clutches of the US healthcare industry and COVID just by fortuitous timing.
I am now going on regular walks so that the old ticker gets back into shape.
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But that's... socialism! Tadadada!  
Other than that well done! Lucky to NOT be a US citizen! 
As a side note, now that you mention the pretty nurses, I think I feel unwell as well....
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Super Lloyd wrote: As a side note, now that you mention the pretty nurses, I think I feel unwell as well....
So come to Israel (if you can, at the moment). The care is just as good, and the nurses are just as pretty.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Israeli women are definitely very pretty, in general.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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In the private rooms, the nursing staff were primarily from India’s northeastern states, with a very strong Southeast Asian look. Very petite, very pretty.
In the Cardiac Care Unit, the nursing staff were from Kerala, the state in the southwest of India. Tall, willowy. Many came around just to see me since I could speak Malayalam, their language.
PS. Kerala happens to be the location of the first Jewish settlement in India, dating back to 279 AD, when they landed on the coast and sought protection from the local king. Almost all of their descendants left for Israel after 1948, leaving behind their names inscribed on their houses and a synagogue in the area called Jewtown in Cochin.
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Not socialism but capitalism at its finest.
The hospital is a private for-profit enterprise. They have to compete with other private hospitals in the area. The government of the state of West Bengal does regulate costs to patients of major procedures so the hospital has to stay under that and make a profit. They don’t attempt to do that by skimping on nursing care.
All supplies such as medicines, infusion sets, etc., have to billed at retail list price. The hospital makes a bit of money on those by getting discounts since they buy them in bulk.
I am a naturalized US citizen from India with families in both countries so I was able to return to India for the medical care I needed. But enough persons from the UK and Canada come to India for medical treatment since the elderly are denied “elective” surgery such as cardiac bypass or hip replacement in those countries under NHS rules, which decide that there is no benefit to society by treating the elderly.
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Vivi Chellappa wrote: Not socialism but capitalism at its finest.
and thenVivi Chellappa wrote: The government of the state of West Bengal does regulate costs
And that you call capitalism at its finest? I presume you are being cynical as the government regulation of the price is nothing at all like capitalism.
And just as an aside - between medicare and my private insurance (from previous employment) I would pay, in a US Hospital $0. That is the bill I got from two surgical procedures in 2019 and it's the bill I'd get today.
In actuality, the problem with the US system is it's too damn capitalistic. The MD's organizations both implicitly and explicitly regulate the number who can enter their profession (priesthood) in order to keep it lucrative. The only regulation on hospital pricing is via one's insurance (or medicare) - otherwise, capitalism reins and the prices literally can go up an order-of-magnitude. I've seen bill before they're replace for insurance billing (e.g., blood work) and saw $850+ drop down to about $90. It's legal crime - a part of capitalism that's often ignored by it's knee-jerk level advocates.
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It sounds as if you dodged a bullet. Twice.
Stay well.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Well done and glad you're improving.
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The Indian Health Care system did not do a good job protecting the population from Covid, did it? 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Vivi Chellappa wrote: I scanned the detailed bill. I was billed 0.005 US cents for an aspirin. Yes, half a cent. I remember 20 years ago reading reports that in US hospitals, aspirin was being billed at $12 a dose. Who knows how much it costs now!
I've heard (on more than one occasion) that the patent on Aspirin expired, and as a result doctors/pharmacists/those who have a dog in that race have since pretty much been trying to sway patients away from it and onto..."alternatives".
Seriously, google "aspirin is no longer recommended" and see what comes up. You'd think it has been killing people all along...
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