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dan!sh 7-Dec-21 4:49

dan!sh

7-Dec-21 4:49

raddevus wrote:
Would you be able to provide 3 Managers from your past that you could be confident would give you good responses?

No, I would not remember them or have any way to contact them. Even if I did, I would not. People change all the time - for good or for bad. So past impressions could be invalid.

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raddevus7-Dec-21 4:56

7-Dec-21 4:56

lw@zi wrote:
o, I would not remember them or have any way to contact them. Even if I did, I would not. People change all the time - for good or for bad. So past impressions could be invalid.

I feel the same way about it.

Thanks very much for chiming in. The hiring process is so broken. It's amazing people even get hired.

jeron17-Dec-21 5:04

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7-Dec-21 5:04

I've been at the same place for 29+ years, 1 manager, alas I am not qualified. Poke tongue | ;-P

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Greg Utas7-Dec-21 5:22

Greg Utas

7-Dec-21 5:22

Are you talking about your job or your marriage? Big Grin | :-D

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jeron17-Dec-21 5:37

jeron1

7-Dec-21 5:37

Damn near both, 21 years married. Hmm, well that's 2 managers, I'm getting closer to the required 3. Wait, my mother-in-law is living with us now, that indeed makes three! Woohoo, BigCo. here I come! Laugh | :laugh:

Slow Eddie7-Dec-21 11:39

Slow Eddie

7-Dec-21 11:39

You could not possibly be more correct! Big Grin | :-D

kmoorevs7-Dec-21 9:15

kmoorevs

7-Dec-21 9:15

That beats me by 7 years! Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

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jeron17-Dec-21 10:05

jeron1

7-Dec-21 10:05

kmoorevs wrote:
thriving and still evolving. It's been a good ride!

Exactly, on any given day I might write in C, C++, Assembler (8, 16, & 32 bit), and some C#. Doing PC based stuff and embedded stuff. I've maintained some code for at least 25 years. It keeps you on your toes.

CodeWraith7-Dec-21 5:11

CodeWraith

7-Dec-21 5:11

I'm hard to forget, some will probably not be able to even with constant therapy. Actually, it's only my last boss who could need some therapy, which also is why I left there. The others already gave me something like that when I left and they are quite good. That will have to suffice. Running back with anybody's survey ia a joke.

I wonder if that's a sneaky trap. Anyone who can contact 5 former bosses changes his employment more often than some people their underwear. And that's not a good thing at all.

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raddevus7-Dec-21 5:22

7-Dec-21 5:22

Thanks for your input. I agree. Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

fgs19637-Dec-21 5:22

7-Dec-21 5:22

Do the managers have to be her "direct report" managers or could they be managers of other groups that she may have interfaced with? Maybe managers of customers, vendors, etc...?

raddevus7-Dec-21 5:23

7-Dec-21 5:23

Good question. Based on the survey they are people who do know what she did day-to-day and what she was like in her role. But she has only had 4 jobs in her life anyways (since she is still young) so that makes it difficult also.

OriginalGriff7-Dec-21 5:25

OriginalGriff

7-Dec-21 5:25

Why would any of those - managers of customers, vendors, etc. - want to complete a detailed survey, even if they felt qualified to "judge" an employee of a different company?

I wouldn't. But then, I don't fill out surveys unless I can see something in it for me: I value my time higher than the survey setters do ... Big Grin | :-D

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fgs19637-Dec-21 5:29

7-Dec-21 5:29

OriginalGriff wrote:
Why would any of those - managers of customers, vendors, etc. - want to complete a detailed survey

Because they're compassionate human beings?

I've been a reference (ie. spoken to potential employers or recruiters) for several people who did not directly report to me.

OriginalGriff7-Dec-21 5:44

OriginalGriff

7-Dec-21 5:44

And so have I.
Writing a letter of reference is one thing - and I'm happy to do it for people I know - but a detailed survey? That's just rude - you can bet that their HR department would just throw such a request in the bin.

fgs19637-Dec-21 5:49

7-Dec-21 5:49

OriginalGriff wrote:
but a detailed survey? That's just rude

We'll have to agree to disagree. A properly designed survey might take less time than writing a reference letter that doesn't sound like a boilerplate.

raddevus7-Dec-21 8:28

7-Dec-21 8:28

fgs1963 wrote:
Because they're compassionate human beings?

Did not know these still existed in the work milieu. Laugh | :laugh:

fgs19637-Dec-21 8:38

7-Dec-21 8:38

Good point!

Maybe I've been blessed. In 39 years in the work force (35 at my current employer) I've had a total of 7 managers. 5 were excellent. I'm sure they would have gone out of their way to give a good reference to anyone they felt deserved it. I've been a manager myself (small groups) for nearly 20 years. Having learned from these managers - I do the same.

Based on many of the responses to your OP... I feel very alone. Laugh | :laugh:

Slow Eddie7-Dec-21 11:48

Slow Eddie

7-Dec-21 11:48

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Because they're compassionate human beings?

I have only met 2 "Compassionate Human Beings" in my 72 years. One is my wife of 48+ years(Not just to me she is a Registered Nurse and cares deeply for her patients), and the other was my Mother-in-Law, and she has pasesd away. Neither of them are/were in IT.

I must admit that I, myself am not. Sigh | :sigh:

I will admit to being an extreme cynic.

Except for a couple of contracts, I have worked for myself sinve 1977. I could give me a "great Reference"

fgs19637-Dec-21 12:33

7-Dec-21 12:33

Slow Eddie wrote:
I have only met 2 "Compassionate Human Beings" in my 72 years.

Damn... harsh.

Slow Eddie wrote:
Neither of them are/were in IT.

Neither am I. Maybe engineers are just nicer that IT folks.

Slow Eddie wrote:
I will admit to being an extreme cynic.

Ya think?

agolddog8-Dec-21 3:50

agolddog

8-Dec-21 3:50

This. This would set off a huge red flag for me that BigCo is likely a terrible bureaucracy with which I wouldn't want to be affiliated.

PIEBALDconsult7-Dec-21 5:24

PIEBALDconsult

7-Dec-21 5:24

It may also be a way for the new company to get contact information for middle-managers at the former employers, so they can try to market products and services to them.

raddevus7-Dec-21 5:32

7-Dec-21 5:32

Everything is marketing!!
It's marketing all the way down... Laugh | :laugh:

Gerry Schmitz7-Dec-21 5:26

Gerry Schmitz

7-Dec-21 5:26

Since she already did the work, she could take the "assertive" approach, and say she is thankful for their response, that she has 2 references as is normal (or whatever), and that their time is too limited to take surveys but they welcome a call.

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raddevus7-Dec-21 5:33