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Slow Eddie wrote: However, given my age and skill set
"Experience".
Slow Eddie wrote: Have you ever been in that sort of position?
A few times; and always left as soon as I could. It hurts both sides to continue at that point.
Slow Eddie wrote: Hate the job but need the money?
Dunno how that is, I never needed the money that much.
There's a Dutch saying, that it is hard to capture hares with unwilling dogs.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Quote: Dunno how that is, I never needed the money that much.
You don't know my wife, or my debt level, primarily due to my wife.
You are alucky man
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I have an uncle who's now in a retirement home, entirely penniless very much because of his wife. Her spending habits could be described as some sort of mental affliction. Worst part is, she blames him for them being broke. I could write a book just about the horror stories I've heard.
Some in the family speculate she was put on earth as a precautionary tale for others.
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My girlfriend is in such a position. She doesn't hate her work per se, but she certainly hates the bosses (father & son, not quite a healthy relationship between them certainly doesn't help office atmosphere). But the money's good and she gets bonuses outside of her contract (such as the company paying for her commute ticket) and looking for another job RIGHT NOW is madness anyway.
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You could always take a Zen approach. Learn to observe your own reactions and find out where they come from. The people who annoy you the most are sometimes the best teachers. And no, you are never too old to learn that sort of stuff.
Failing that, another Zen approach, just give notice and see what happens.
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Slow Eddie wrote: I can't stand anymore
What do you mean by this? Is it lack of professionalism, knowledge of whatever the job needs? Or something personal?
If it is work related, I would objectively state how it is. There is nothing personal there. I do not know how your work environment is but where I am telling someone that they are objectively wrong, is quite acceptable. At one previous job I tried this and I was told "I do not want to work with you ever.". I was moved to another part of work. Win-win.
If it is personal, then may be a casual chat explaining how you are affected.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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I have tried this. He is stupid, slow and won't listen. He inherited the company from his father, so I can't get him fired.
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Slow Eddie wrote: slow
Aren't you slow? Your username says that.
It hints towards incompetence but seems an emotional response. If you have made enough noise objectively proving what he does is wrong, I would say your job is done. When things go bad, you can show proof that you pointed out exactly this earlier and no one listened. At least you are covered.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Get him fired. That's what I have always done.
Nothing succeeds like a budgie without teeth.
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He inherited the company from his father, so I can't get him fired.
I like your signature BTW. I have 5 budgies, myself.
ed
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Before you do any move, check the employment market around you. You may be pleasantly surprised.
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You can! You need to boost your confidence!
Read up, and form opinions, on contemporary developments in technologies that are close to your current skillz.
[Eg Go: generics, C++23, Python: Structural Pattern Matching, if your stuck in legacy VB.NET read up on C#, etc] This gives an extra edge if you want to make a hungry impression in your interviews. In other words, yes you should definitely look for new jobs! Good Luck ![Heart | [heart]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/love.gif)
And: never apologise about your age, do not even joke about it.
[EDIT:]if you are in a large organisation, look for positions within that.
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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I'd look for a job and tell him I'm leaving only once I've found new position
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Those are my intentions.
ed
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I thought I was in that same boat 2 years ago. North of 50 and working for a person I could not stand.
I would really suggest looking now! There are actually quite a few jobs out there for people with experience and age doesn't really matter that much. At least what I found out. I found two jobs within 3-6 months.
My Blog about it. Rod: Lost my Job in January - my thoughts on how to get your next job[^]
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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I agree with others -- do not sell yourself short. Make sure your resume is up-to-date and start job hunting. You have nothing to lose.
Regarding ageism, it's very real, and some of the tech giants practice it, although they generally do it well enough that it's hard to prove.
OTOH, I've been on teams where I was the youngest guy, and I was in my late 40's at the time. Young, enthusiastic, and newly trained employees bring a lot to the table, including newbie mistakes. Older, experienced employees may not have that enthusiasm and new training, but we make less mistakes and typically ones of lesser magnitude.
Personally? I prefer a diverse team, as it brings more to the table.
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Start looking. Since covid there are a lot of places going remote and you aren't stuck to just your own city anymore. That's good and bad because it means you're competing with people not just in your city as well. But you don't know until you start looking.
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Nope. There's no amount of money that makes it worth going to a job you hate every day.
Get your resume out there, you'll find something. Good luck.
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You trapped yourself in a box of your own making with the statement, “given my age and skill set”. Unless you’re in a retirement home on your deathbed you can learn, change and grow. You’re just not willing to let go of comfort for happiness. Use the current job to launch your next career. Learn what you need to learn in every free second ( yes you have them) and move on when opportunity presents itself. It will be scary as hell: no risk no reward. Everything worth having is on the other side of fear.
Chris
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I don't know your skill set at all, admittedly, but I personally am being inundated by recruiters after posting my resume to a couple of places. And the jobs look like they're quality jobs with decent pay and good benefits. I'm a .NET programmer with 30 years of industry experience, 7 in .NET specifically. The email is going crazy with interview requests. Give it a try, you've got nothing to lose.
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I'm in a position of being the sole developer in a small company...the other owner, myself, and a few consultants who work on commission. The other owner used to be a developer but for the last 20 years focuses primarily on running the business. We all share customer support duties, but anything difficult or requiring a fix goes through me.
For the most part, it's great! I enjoy tremendous freedom with little oversight...just get the jobs done and don't put out crap! Handle customer requests timely and professionally and consider all customer issues as a chance to improve something.
The things that annoy me, and probably would in any other job are:
0: The daily obligatory long and boring phone calls to keep the other owner in the loop. (explain what I've been doing)
1: Constant pressure to make progress on the other owner's pet projects. (or explain why I haven't been working on those projects)
2: Zoom meetings whenever anything technical might be discussed. (otherwise, just sit there and be quiet!)
3: Documentation (because, who else is going to do it?)
Every one of the above items has already happened today and it's not even noon! 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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Today's Astronomy Picture of the Day is the galactic center in Radio. It reminds me of an abstract painting of some sort. I had considered posting this even before reading the "missing characters" thread down-page.
Enjoy!
Keep Calm and Carry On
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Can't wait to see how it looks in the Webb!
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Is that a face just low right of center? Is that an image of the universal intelligence? 
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