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OriginalGriff wrote: "cat safe" mesh prefitted over predrilled holes sized and ready to fit a pair of 120mm fans
Reminds me of when I started programming in C# and .NET. Time and again I would go back and rip out hundreds of lines of code I'd written, after realizing that .NET already had it.
Software Zen: delete this;
modified 26-Feb-22 17:35pm.
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I once had a project to construct a 6" diameter hole in sheet metal on which to mount a fan to blow out auto exhaust from the garage connected to the exhaust pipe of my garaged car via flexible metal tubing. I drilled a thousand more or less, small holes along the periphery. I don't recall now how I punched out the center disk but it worked out and I kept the disk as a souvenir as I liked how it appeared so I kept it on my desk. - Cheerio
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GTA V was locking the PC sometimes - normally just before the end of a long mission, which is frustrating. Only solution was to turn the power off and back on again.
I noticed that GTA makes it run hotter than normal, which you'd expect - the fan noise increases quite a bit - so I installed software to monitor it, and the processor junction temp was getting to mid / high 80s. High ish, but not outside specs - and it does kinda point at a heat problem somewhere.
Remember, I changed the M/B, Processor, and RAM only, and added a second SSD (which is still empty, I'll move Win 11 to it when I do a fresh install).
So I had a think and came up with possibilities:
1) The processor heatsink / thermal paste.
2) The GPU.
3) PSU
4) Other.
The first one is unlikely, I thought - quit the game and the temperatures dropped very quickly so the thermal management of the processor itself seems to be pretty good. Even high 80s are within Intel specs, so ... not that.
The second. Hmm ... it was working fine in the old configuration, with a lower spec processor - i5 instead of i7 running at a lot lower speed - so it's possible but unlikely to be the direct culprit. A GPU temperature monitor says it got up to low 70's, and dropped to below 50 pretty quickly afterwards. Probably not a problem.
The third. Probably not, it's new(ish) well under the max rating (just over 1/2 with the uprated CPU) and a voltage check says all is stable.
The fourth ... What if it's the case? If the processor is putting out more heat (which it is, loads more) then if that hot air isn't getting out then the heat could be building up and effecting the ram, or MB, or ... anything I can't read a temperature off of.
So, take the case side off and see what happens.
CPU: low 70s, GPU: high 60's, GTA no crashes so far.
Probably the heat management with the i5 was on the marginal side, and the i& has just pushed it over the edge.
Well ... Change the case fan for a higher CFM one, or ... make a big hole in the top (where there are no components) and fit a second case fan to exhaust hot air that way - since hot air rises, that's probably the most efficient way to do it.
Makes sense to me! Where's me big drill ... 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Gosh, I was just dealing with a similar problem because of my upgrade. In my case it was the PSU. I spent good money finding that out.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Yeah, sometimes you have to think about the whole system instead of the detailed problem!
Is yours sorted now?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Yeah it is. It costed me $200 and a day and a half of swearing to sort it though. On the plus side I got a beautiful new case that's glass on 4 sides.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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If it were me, the first thing I'd do is look at your case to see if you can attach more and bigger fans.
If you have furry pets you may want to invest in a new chassis so you don't have to cut holes in it and let dog/cat hair in.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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If you go for the hole solution, don't us a drill. Rush out to your nearest hardware store - they're always deserted on a Saturday afternoon - and get a hole punch. They leave a way nicer hole and are easy to operate - guide hole with the drill, drop in the punch, connect up, a dozen turns of the hex wrench and you have a nice clean round hole.
I have used these things for years, mainly for putting extra cooling holes in Hi-Fi gear - my sitting room can hit 35°C in the summer, and takes a lot longer to cool in the evening than the outside does.
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I had never seen one of those before… I bet every electrician has a set.
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Well, let's hope it does not turn into a horror story (like the Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde) 
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I had a problem with the
GPU overheating, shutting down the display. Only solution was off, on.
Finally I just opened the window behind my desk a shade. Problem solved, at least until summertime and 100 F heat gets here.
Then, I activated WsL and started using Ubunt. Much easier on the system.
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My Microsoft store game would lock up sometimes. I found out that MS will update the app even "while" you're playing ... starts losing color, slows, but doesn't actually quit. You save and restart when the update is over ... if you notice that's what's happening.
Even VS will get funny after long sessions; wouldn't erase old compiler messages until I reloaded (today).
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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I take it your cpu is cooled by a fixed heatsink that blows the hot air around in the case. In addition to added ventilation, You may want to consider a closed-loop liquid cooler. Put it on the top, blowing up, and point all other case fans inward. The cpu's hot air will no longer heat up anything else, and the positive pressure will help cool everything else - even reducing hot air leaving the gpu through gaps in the shroud. There are some who say it is better to put the radiator on the front blowing inward, which means a cooler cpu but warmer inside compared to top-mount; but in your case especially, since your cpu is not overheating with a fixed heatsink while internal temperature is the problem, that tradeoff would be going the wrong way.
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I assume you're not concerned with unicorns?
Me either, my daughters are grown up and their daughters have to worry about unicorns now.
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MASH was one of the funniest movies ever.
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R.I.P Sorry to hear she was an excellent actress.
The less you need, the more you have.
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally.
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MASH and Sally are icons and always will be.
Sad news indeed. ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
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A few hours ago, someone posted on the fallout 4 subreddit. he was posting from Kyiv.
This wasn't a post about the game, to be clear. He was talking about jumping when snow fell from his neighbor's window. He's talking about stockpiling potable water, which can also be used to shelter from gunfire.
This brought the war home for me in a way that reading about it elsewhere hasn't. I can't even wrap my head around it.
There was a time when my country wouldn't have let something like this happen, but apparently we aren't at that place anymore.
How in the hell did it come to this? (rhetorical, i don't want to engage in petty politics on this)
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Honestly? After 50 years of Eurocommies pissing on the USA and their interventionist policies, I'd hope the US will stay on their own and not give a flying duck.
Everybody antiamerican until they need someone to get their chestnuts out of the fire.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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We convinced Ukraine to give up their nukes in exchange for protection. Ukraine has acted in good faith toward the west, being democratic, following the rules for joining NATO, and honoring their agreements. We're morally obligated to honor ours.
That's all I'm going to say about this.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Quote: War. War never changes.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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In many ways, it's kind of remarkable that it's been so peaceful. The history of the humanity is full of war more often than not. Or maybe it'd be more accurate to say that the violence is safely confined to Iraq and Afghanistan and other countries that don't matter as much to the Western narrative
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