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trønderen3-Sep-22 7:36
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The problem is that even "just" laws, and "crime" in general, is highly culturally dependent.

Lots of laws that we today call "unjust" were highly "just" for as little as fifty to hundred years ago, in our own country. In other countries, they may still be "just" in lots of other cultures. It goes the other way as well: Laws that we call "just" are in other societies considered extremely "unjust".

To stay clear of the laws of one specific country, you may take a look at the UN bill of human rights, and consider how it applies to completely different cultures. Say, the right to regular vacations, with pay: How will you enforce that in a hunter-gatherer society void of any sort of 'employment' and void of money? In a region populated by nomadic tribes roaming the continent along irregular paths, how will you enforce the right to leave your country and to return to it? And so on.

If all your neighbor countries allow some action (in the sense: no laws forbid it), but lawmakers in your country have decided to forbid it, can you still argue that the law in your country is "just"? Do you expect people from your neighbor countries to agree? If you go to the neighbor country to do that action, is that "unjust" for you, but not for those you visit? Are you performing a crime, in a country where no law forbids it?

In our laws, we are extreme culture imperialists. Let me take one example: Parts of the Norwegian criminal law applies to "crimes" committed in other countries where the action is perfectly legal, done by a citizen of that country when he was living in his homeland. If he has later moved to another Nordic ountry, and comes on a temporary visit to Norway, he can in principle be thrown in jail in Norway for what was a perfectly legal action when and where it was performed, the "criminal" is not a Norwegian citizen or living here, and the action did not take place in Norway.

I don't know of any case where tourists have been prosecuted in Norway for earlier actions that are illegal here, but it certainly has happened for refugees who have had to flee their homeland and settled in Norway. If they, before they had to flee, lived according to the customs of their culture, they have had to answer to Norwegian laws for it, after arriving here. Even though the UN declaration of human rights say that anyone has a right to leave their country, there has been several cases of Norwegian authorities confiscating the ID documents of refugees to make it impossible for them to visit their old homeland, because Norwegian authorities believes that there is a great risk that back in their old country they might do actions that are still allowed there, but illegal here.

So, "just"ness and "fair"ness and "criminal actions" are all defined by culture. Claiming "universal" value to any such question is very likely to fall under 'cultural imperialism'. (You may of course think that cultural imperialism is both "just" and "fair", but those being culturally imperialized might disagree!)
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