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2-Jan-23 1:24

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pkfox1-Jan-23 22:59

pkfox

1-Jan-23 22:59

Posting too frequently. Ease up, tiger.

WTF ?

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modified 2-Jan-23 10:48am.

PIEBALDconsult2-Jan-23 5:10

PIEBALDconsult

2-Jan-23 5:10

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Eddy Vluggen2-Jan-23 10:27

Eddy Vluggen

2-Jan-23 10:27

Ah, and now I have to search your post history to find the right person to piss on.

Thanks for the extra work.

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pkfox2-Jan-23 21:22

pkfox

2-Jan-23 21:22

Eh ?

Winforms is dead on Linux. What else do you recommend?

Eddy Vluggen2-Jan-23 22:35

Eddy Vluggen

2-Jan-23 22:35

I can't find the message either; so I assume it was not directed at you.

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Behzad Sedighzadeh1-Jan-23 20:18

Behzad Sedighzadeh

1-Jan-23 20:18

We have been developing an industrial SCADA application for the the last 15 years( more than 200 KLOC ). At the beginning we were sure we can run our software on both Linux and Windows. With the decision of Microsoft to not support dotnet core + Winforms on Linux, we finally came to conclusion that it is time to migrate to a new technology. Now, 2 choices comes to mind: 1-Qt 2-GTK. We have zero knowledge in both of them or any other library. Community seems to prefer GTK. Which technology or another one would you recommend for the GUI part of our program?

Decision will be made based on these criteria in order of importance:
1- Long and active Community support ( At least the next 10 years )
2- Would prefer Open-Source one, so bugs and security holes get patched as soon as possible
2- Fair amount of library and 3rd-party controls
3- Modern Looking Controls
4- Good IDE Support

Happy Christmas to all.

cheers
Behzad

Behzad

Re: Winforms is dead on Linux. What else do you recommend?

OriginalGriff1-Jan-23 20:42

OriginalGriff

1-Jan-23 20:42

Um.

Quote:
1- Long and active Community support ( At least the next 10 years )

Yeah. OK. Nobody can guarantee that for anything.

Quote:
2- Would prefer Open-Source one, so bugs and security holes get patched as soon as possible

Do you have any idea what "open-source" actually means? 99% of open source software doesn't get bugs fixed, doesn't get security patches unless somebody is interested enough to do that - and most OS developers prefer to do the "interesting bits" like add new features they want instead of "boring stuff" like wade through looking for a bug.

Take Open Office for example: it'll probably still be there in ten years time, but it's still got bugs that were reported by multiple members of the community over ten years ago!

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Re: Winforms is dead on Linux. What else do you recommend?

abmv1-Jan-23 22:50

abmv

1-Jan-23 22:50

Qt | Cross-platform Software Design and Development Tools

Caveat Emptor.

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Re: Winforms is dead on Linux. What else do you recommend?

Graeme_Grant2-Jan-23 4:57

Graeme_Grant

2-Jan-23 4:57

Have you had a look at Avalonia UI[^]?

As for MAUI, this thread does not show much promise: First class Linux support developed by Microsoft · Discussion #339 · dotnet/maui · GitHub[^]

Blazor running as an Electron app is another option...

Graeme

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Re: Winforms is dead on Linux. What else do you recommend?

BillWoodruff8-Jan-23 20:50

Re: Winforms is dead on Linux. What else do you recommend?

8-Jan-23 20:50

If you have develped apps with Avalonia, I, and I am sure others, would appreciate a CP article.

cheers, Bill

«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch

Graeme_Grant8-Jan-23 21:34

Graeme_Grant

8-Jan-23 21:34

BillWoodruff wrote:
If you have developed apps with Avalonia, I, and I am sure others, would appreciate a CP article.

Avalonia looks like it is based on XAML. UNO is also XAML-based web UI. Could use that too.

I have not but I will accept the challenge. There is an old app, WinForm using VB, that was coded almost 20 years ago that I have been meaning to update and do an article on with: Blazor, WPF, Winform, & MAUI. I will add Avalonia & UNO to the list.

Graeme

"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee

Re: Winforms is dead on Linux. What else do you recommend?

BillWoodruff9-Jan-23 0:20

Re: Winforms is dead on Linux. What else do you recommend?

9-Jan-23 0:20

"I will add Avalonia & UNO to the list."

I may not live long enough to see that.

«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch

Graeme_Grant11-Mar-23 14:32

Graeme_Grant

11-Mar-23 14:32

BillWoodruff wrote:
I may not live long enough to see that.

Are you still alive and kicking old friend?

I have an article that I am finishing up that will cover WinForms, Wpf, and Avalonia. Avalonia was never intended, however, I remembered our conversation, so I added it just for you and for my own curiosity. I have common code for all 3 project types as well as specific to the project type, specifically Control Libraries. Surprisingly, there are very few differences between WPF & Avalonia. A couple of annoyances but it is still early days for Avalonia. I am very impressed. NOTE: Both are Dot Net Core built.

The Avalonia Project I have compiled and run on both Windows and MacOS. I have an animated GIF of the MacOS version for those who don't have MacOS. When I add a GUI Linux version to my WSL, I'll compile and run it there too and post an update with a GIF for that too...

Here is the XAML for WPF:

XML

<Window x:Class="WpfLoggingNoDI.MainWindow"
        xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml/presentation"
        xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"

        mc:Ignorable="d"
        xmlns:d="http://schemas.microsoft.com/expression/blend/2008"
        xmlns:mc="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/markup-compatibility/2006"

        xmlns:control="clr-namespace:LogViewer.Wpf;assembly=LogViewer.Wpf"

        Title="C# WPF MINIMAL | LogViewer Control Example - Dot Net 7.0"
        WindowStartupLocation="CenterScreen" Height="634" Width="600">

    <control:LogViewerControl x:Name="LogViewerControl" />

</Window>

And here for Avalonia:

XML

<Window x:Class="AvaloniaLoggingNoDI.Views.MainWindow"
        xmlns="https://github.com/avaloniaui"
        xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"

        mc:Ignorable="d"
        xmlns:d="http://schemas.microsoft.com/expression/blend/2008"
        xmlns:mc="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/markup-compatibility/2006"
        
        xmlns:control="clr-namespace:LogViewer.Avalonia;assembly=LogViewer.Avalonia"

        Title="C# AVALONIA MINIMAL | LogViewer Control Example - Dot Net 7.0"
        Icon="/Assets/avalonia-logo.ico"
        WindowStartupLocation="CenterScreen" Height="634" Width="600">

    <control:LogViewerControl x:Name="LogViewerControl" />

</Window>

Spot the difference! 😛

The article and supporting code will give you a chance to compare all 3.

As for UNO, I will get to it, same for Mobile versions. Life is very busy right now...

Graeme

"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee

modified 11-Mar-23 20:47pm.

Re: Winforms is dead on Linux. What else do you recommend?

BillWoodruff20-May-23 3:52

Re: Winforms is dead on Linux. What else do you recommend?

20-May-23 3:52

thanks, Graeme !

alive yes; kicking limited by having to walk slowly on a walker, extreme weight loss.

look forward to your article.

cheers, Bill

«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch

jschell2-Jan-23 13:36

jschell

2-Jan-23 13:36

Behzad Sedighzadeh wrote:
Long and active Community support ( At least the next 10 years )

The "next" 10 years? If you can predict the future you might want to look into other business opportunities.

But other than that I like to look for the number of posts by different people to code updates and responding to questions. That gives a better idea of how well it is supported versus looking at something like how many releases there are.

Re: Winforms is dead on Linux. What else do you recommend?

jmaida2-Jan-23 14:25

jmaida

2-Jan-23 14:25

Qt - professional quality but pricey.
GTK - open source and very good but not automatically portable (been awhile since I used it)
Both have decent graphics.

"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
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honey the codewitch1-Jan-23 20:11

Re: Woo hoo! I got free IP from my employer, and i'm gonna share

1-Jan-23 20:11

I got the go ahead to release some code I wrote on the clock, so enjoy a new article by yours truly.

I'm posting this notice here mainly in case astute readers of the lounge realize that my earlier talks here involving a problem with a paying project wound up as an article on code project. It's above board. And I couldn't be happier about that.

Anyway, it's just something to control PWM fans but it was hard to do, so I got a sense of accomplishment out of the whole thing.

And for those of you that were wondering/following along from earlier, I was finally talked out of going my own way on the matter, and instead relying on the PID algorithm. There were several reasons for it, so I'll omit them here, but suffice it to say that once I found kp ki and kd I was happy with the result.

To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

BillWoodruff2-Jan-23 2:05

Re: Woo hoo! I got free IP from my employer, and i'm gonna share

2-Jan-23 2:05

honey the codewitch wrote:
I'm posting this notice here mainly in case astute readers of the lounge realize that my earlier talks here involving a problem with a paying project wound up as an article on code project. It's above board. And I couldn't be happier about that.

another neon sign that says "look at me" Smile | :)

fortunately, the so-beyond-mundane colors in your rare earth incandescent tubes are often ... delightful ! i think of multi-colored shimmering moire patterns in an oil slick on water seen from the right angles or the wrong angles, but, without the necessity of altering brain chemistry.

keep on truckin'

cheers, Bill

«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch

honey the codewitch2-Jan-23 3:08

Re: Woo hoo! I got free IP from my employer, and i'm gonna share

2-Jan-23 3:08

I didn't post it for attention. I posted it because I got anxious and wondered what folks like Randor who were following along might have thought when they saw the article posted.

Bill, I don't think you know enough about me to divine my intentions, but about 90% of my motives are anxiety driven Unsure | :~

, not narcissism driven.

To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

BillWoodruff2-Jan-23 3:37

Re: Woo hoo! I got free IP from my employer, and i'm gonna share

2-Jan-23 3:37

i did not mention narcissism, or imply i "divine" your intentions: i expressed, in a metaphor, how i experience your Whitmanesque presentation

Quote:
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then, I contradict myself; (I am large. I contain multitudes).

Whitman, Song of Myself, 51

«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch

honey the codewitch2-Jan-23 3:38

Re: Woo hoo! I got free IP from my employer, and i'm gonna share

2-Jan-23 3:38

Fair enough. I don't read enough Walt Whitman, I suppose, and apparently I don't know enough people that do either.

I guess I'm in with a bad crowd. $Shucks | :-\$

To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

BillWoodruff2-Jan-23 3:56

Re: Woo hoo! I got free IP from my employer, and i'm gonna share

2-Jan-23 3:56

maybe i'm just envious that: while i once tried to play the role of stupor mundi ... in my fractal 20's ... i did not have the technical brilliance you have achieved, young ... i was just a mush of wild images, pretending i was an artist Smile | :)

Quote:
Latin phrase meaning the marvel of the world, an object of admiring bewilderment and wonder;

«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch

honey the codewitch2-Jan-23 4:02