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i bought this refurbished desktop [^] for peanuts . maybe you can buy 35 of the same and have quite a shop .
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong
I admire your optimism. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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like I view Photoshop pricing or Visual Studio Pro license, if its what helps me make the money for my job, then its a tiny amount to what my income is
If its a hobby that do 1 hour a week, way too much.
A hobby that do 2-3 hours a night - gaming, and smooth no jitter is what I want, sure
If just watching videos, and browsing internet, uhm no.
And yeah, computers in 1995 still cost more then comparable product range today.
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I'm a professional. Although I do have work computers and this one is my personal one. My main want with this is 64GB of RAM in a laptop. Turns out, any laptop with that don't come cheap.
Jeremy Falcon
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64GB is an awful lot of memory for a laptop. I have a VM host with that much, and I'd like it to have more, but that's a VM host.
What do you realistically need in a laptop that requires it to have 64GB of RAM?
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dandy72 wrote: What do you realistically need in a laptop that requires it to have 64GB of RAM?
640K ought to be enough for anybody. - Bill Gates
Jeremy Falcon
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You know he never said that, right?
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The most interesting part is when he was asked about this quote. He didn't positively confirm that he had said it, but if so, it must have been in in discussions about how much of the 8086 1Mbyte total address space should be reserved for for the OS, drivers and such, and how much should the user control. His opinion was that it was fair to reserve 6/16 of the address space for OS & drivers, with 10/16 of the address space for user programs.
In that context, the statement makes perfect sense. I am willing to stand up and defend Bill Gates.
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kalberts wrote: In that context, the statement makes perfect sense. I am willing to stand up and defend Bill Gates.
Oh snaaaaap.
Jeremy Falcon
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The bit I believe I heard from Gates himself is that being a technology guy, he knew even early on that you can never set some arbitrary figure as "good enough", in perpetuity.
Simple enough that I absolutely believe it.
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Really? Well crap.
Reminds me of this quote though...
Abraham Lincoln wrote: Not every quote you read on the Internet is true.
Jeremy Falcon
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I thought that quote was attributed to Benjamin Franklin???
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Wow Jeremy.
Are you sure you're not over spec'd on your needs? I think the problem with laptops is that raising some given requirement ups the whole package. I guess if you're a gamer that needs a $1k GPU, then it is what it is.
My laptop is a three-year old, lower-end gaming box that cost $1200, adding an SSD, plus $200 for the 2nd monitor. From a work perspective, I'm amazed at what it can have running without missing a step. VS, Corel, two IDE editors, two browsers with multiple windows (and more tabs than I can count), Outlook, Teams, Word and Excel with multiple docs, Zoom, etc. And, I keep it in sleep mode many nights so not rebooted often. The price today isn't much different than it was.
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MikeCO10 wrote: Are you sure you're not over spec'd on your needs?
Yes and no. Yes, maybe... but I also value my time. I don't want to upgrade often and it's a distraction and waste of time. So, I'd rather overshoot and wait 5 years before doing this again than try to upgrade every 2-3 years. The more beefy you go, the further out you can make your machine lasts.
Jeremy Falcon
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My min desirements always gets me over $2K. From my first 1988ish 286 desktop, to my most recent 2020 Rizen 5 desktop build.
My newest computer is a 2TB, 32GB, M2 MacBook Pro. It is my first computer that costs over $3K, and that is with a family discount, and I love it. Worth every penny.
I know CP is mostly Windows developers, but I turned to the dark side and switched to Macs around 2011. I still keep a PC around, but may not turn it on for 6 months at a time. Maybe that topic is better suited to a new thread.
Hope you like your new $$ computer too!
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BBar2 wrote: I know CP is mostly Windows developers, but I turned to the dark side and switched to Macs around 2011
To be honest, the only reason I can't go fulltime Mac is because I cannot use my thumb to copy and paste. I'm a pinky kinda guy.
BBar2 wrote: Hope you like your new $$ computer too!
Thanks man.
Jeremy Falcon
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I am still using my 6+ year old Dell 64bit laptop for all of development work and it works just fine.
It has 16gigs of RAM with 1 terabyte of SSD storage.
No need to upgrade at this time.
If your machine has similar capabilities and is still working well, why are you bothering to upgrade?
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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Steve Naidamast wrote: If your machine has similar capabilities and is still working well, why are you bothering to upgrade?
The more important question is why not? We're tech enthusiasts... we should be... enthused.
Jeremy Falcon
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I know this is not a solution TekBoost sold Dell Laptops refurbished at one time NOT so much now
I looked at this but have no idea if it is a good configuration ? My Windows 7 64 bit seems to be getting tired
Have you considered Refurbished ?
Is this a good buy ?
Dell Precision T7610 2x E5-2643 4C 3.3Ghz 64GB 256GB SSD 2TB K600 Win 10[^]
Asking for a Friend that needs a new Car & House
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Choroid wrote: Is this a good buy ?
Dunno, I'll have to check it out. I just almost ordered a Dell XPS laptop but turns out it didn't support 4k at 120Hz+ for an external monitor. So, vering away from Dell for the moment. Otherwise, it would've been a great choice.
Choroid wrote: Asking for a Friend that needs a new Car & House
Jeremy Falcon
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Just an option to consider - Framework. Framework Laptops
I got a powerful system for about 2.2k last year and I've been happy with it. I mess with virtualization a bit so I wanted the 64G mem. 6 cores (I think, might be 8).
I know at least one other person who's quite happy with their older Framework.
Their vision is to have components that are easily user-upgradable, so hopefully it will have a longer overall lifetime.
Cheers!
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I looked at Lenovo, and wow $5790 for 128Gigs, 4 Tb storage, Nvidia RTX and i9 chip. It's the NVidia chip ($1800), the ram ($1400) and SSD ($750) estimated by me.
This level of performance is in high demand, and the higher price keeps them in stock, where if it was cheaper, they would be sold out and on back order. NVidia sold out of chips this quarter, and they are hard to get now. Companies are complaining that they can't get their chips from NVidia, because NVidia shifted their production to the big AI chip, H-100 when TSMC was slow. Since the value of NVidia stock is so high now, I would imagine anything with NVidia technology inside is going to be very expensive.
The $6K is hard to justify, but the amount of computing power within such a small package like this is much higher now compared to 5 years ago. What you can do with this much power if you can do it, justifies the price today.
If it ain't broke don't fix it
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I just recently replaced both my 10-year-old laptop and my nearly 10-year-old desktop. For the laptop I bought an LG Gram16 with 500GB NVME and 16GB RAM. CPU is a 12th-Gen Intel Core-i7. I'm a developer, not a gamer, so the memory is enough to let me do what I need and I beefed up the disc space by adding a 2TB 980Pro into the second NVME slot. The 16-inch screen is great and the whole thing weighs way less than my old ASUS. It comes in at less than a kilo. Surprisingly enough, I got it at Costco for $500 bucks off list. Cost me $CDN1500 for the laptop and about $200 for the added 2TB.
My new desktop is based on a 13th-Gen Intel Core-i9, Asus motherboard, 32GB RAM, Nvidia 3060 GPU to drive my 4 monitors, and 3 2TB sticks of NVME, mixed between WD850NX and Samsung 980PRO. I moved over my two mirrored arrays of 4TB rotating discs to use for big storage and backup.
The speed is awesome -- Visual Studio starts up in an eye-blink and builds go so fast that they're done in no time. I no longer have time to go make a cup of tea while I'm waiting. I figure this may be the last machine I build, so I decided it was worth it to spend the money. All told, it cost me about $CDN3500.
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Not bad man... the same specs I'm looking at would be bit cheaper in a desktop I'm sure. Thing is, I haven't used a desktop in over a decade. I'm afraid I'd lose cool points for that.
Jeremy Falcon
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That price seemed a bit too high to me and then I look around. I found many machines I could be happy with for around 2K but then I found The One : AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX3D processor review - Introduction[^]. That is a really, really nice machine. It has a mobile RTX 4090 for a GPU and probably the best mobile processor available. Sadly, it costs around $4K and with a really good monitor the total will be about $5K, possibly less depending on the monitor. I think I could live with a machine like that.
ETA: here's another review of it from a different site: The ASUS ROG Strix Scar 17 (2023) Laptop Review: Mobile Ryzen 9 7945HX3D with 3D V-Cache Impresses[^].
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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