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What's to like so much about Android? I own, and have seen, multiple devices that, even after factory resets, hang/freeze/stutter/are sluggish and are simply not reliable enough to do anything of any sort of importance. Like, things obviously out of application control (even before any third-party app has any chance to launch); these failings have to come from the OS itself.
I've never owned a reliable/stable Android device - even when brand new - and people are still, to this day, bringing me recent Android devices, and they're still as likely to crash / need frequent resets as my old ones.
I've come to accept it as normal for Android and concluded the OS has to be such as mess it's just unsalvageable at this point...kinda like Windows 3.1's incessant crashes back in the day. Is my perception wrong, and people can honestly say they have positive experiences with their Android tablets/phones? (and if they do, do they just have such low expectations??)
I'd love to be proven wrong. My experience, every time I come in contact with an Android phone, says otherwise.
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My experience on the whole has been very positive. I've owned 6 or 7 different Android phones (Motorolas, LGs, Samsungs and now a Pixel 6 Pro). I switched to Android when Palm died. My wife started with an iPhone 4 but switched to Android after all the trouble she had with it (mostly Samsungs, maybe 1 LG). I've owned 3 different Samsung tablets. I've been pleased with all of them. Upgrading every few years to stay with the newer Android versions.
I have had the occasional crash but not for a while now. No problems with the Pixel. The LG had issues, especially towards the end, but reboots always fixed it. Annoying but they were seldom so I lived with it until I upgraded to the P6 a year+ ago.
It may come down to how I use it. The phone is used as a phone, GPS, text messaging, idle browsing, calendar, email. The tablet for browsing, some shopping, email, texting, calendar, entertainment (crosswords, wordle, etc.), CP. No dev, no gaming, nothing really hard core.
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FreedMalloc wrote: It may come down to how I use it.
I'd love to narrow it down to that. But, as I said, even after a factory reset - wiped clean of my own data and whatever apps might have been downloaded - the problems persist, even after the very first reboot. If a system isn't stable after a factory reset - the equivalent of a full, clean reinstall...then I unfortunately can't attribute that to how I use it. It should at least be stable out of the box...
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I have had no experience programming Android phones, but I have hundreds of hours programming Android tablets using the Kotlin language. I enjoyed every minute of it! Especially when I started using the Jetpack Compose version of Kotlin.
I do have a somewhat old LG Android phone, but no issues with it.
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
modified 9-Oct-23 6:50am.
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Who knows, maybe that's the solution--run everything through an emulator. 'cuz the physical hardware just ain't cutting for me, apparently.
I've never programmed anything on Android - I'm not complaining about my apps being unstable on the OS - I'm using Android like the average user, not a developer.
How all devices are so crash/freeze-prone for me, in such a consistent way...I have no idea. But that's my experience. I've owned 5 Android devices in total - fool me once, shame on you...fool me 4 more times, I'm an idiot if I continue to buy into the ecosystem and expect a different outcome.
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dandy72 wrote: these failings have to come from the OS itself.
Or of course the hardware.
dandy72 wrote: kinda like Windows 3.1's incessant crashe
Never seen any OS that didn't crash. To be fair I was very surprised when I saw the blue screen of death several years ago. But that is my own personal computers.
Sluggish? See that all the time. Not only dev boxes but on production systems.
I deal with distributed systems and I am always being surprised by strange reboots. Not to mention boxes that have a persistent single service failures while other presumably duplicate boxes do not. Those are cloud boxes by the way, so probably as nearly identical as one can get.
Things fail. I just plan on that.
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jschell wrote: Things fail. I just plan on that.
Right, I'm very tolerant and patient (I'm told by less technically-inclined people) when it comes to failures. But it's the sheer number of failures that's causing me to compare Android with Windows 3.x. At some point, you have to cut your losses and rewrite the whole thing from scratch.
So how Android works so much better for other people...I really don't know.
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It's great to hear that you've found a programming platform you enjoy, like Android, and that you appreciate its simplicity and performance. Many developers have their preferred environments and operating systems based on their specific needs and preferences. Android, with its focus on mobile and touch-based interfaces, has indeed provided a unique development experience.
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If I could give you some of Griff's points I would 
Hogan
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Reputation is overrated...
I would prefer a coffee mug, but the witch already has to have a full cupboard by now...
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On the bright side, I *always* have a clean codeproject mug at hand.
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:envy:  
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I'm sure Chris would be happy to send you a bill for the recruitment fee, if you insist on paying one.
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man points +10 
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“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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you are certainly part of the CP attraction. good job!
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
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honey the codewitch wrote: Do I get a recruitment fee?
Yes, it's paid in rep points - but once taxes are assessed, you normally end up out of pocket ... 
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I've just updated one of my new articles this morning and got a 1/5 without leaving any comment or interesting suggestion. The vote was not removed because the article is relatively new and has not got enough upvotes. I also got another 1/5 on another article but this one was removed because the article has enough upvotes.
Do serial downvoters still exist on CodeProject?
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Always have and always will, for the same reason they troll!
I don't think before I open my mouth, I like to be as surprised a everyone else.
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Well, I can't speak for any of the others, but...
Seriously, I see no reason to vote an article a 1 when I can report it as "Extremely poor quality" or something instead. Not meaning yours, of course. Not sure I saw it.
In so many cases, I feel I'm not qualified to judge an article, so I don't.
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This. This is helpful, where a one star is not, especially if you point out weak areas that could use improvement.
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Apparently there are plenty of peeps (not saying you) that feel qualified enough to argue on them though.
Jeremy Falcon
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Akram El Assas wrote: Do serial downvoters still exist on CodeProject?
Definitively yes.
Akram El Assas wrote: The vote was not removed because the article is relatively new and has not got enough upvotes.
No problem, vote deletion can happen later too. If enough upvotes come, then it will disappear. The "age" of the vote has nothing to say in that balance
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Nelek wrote: No problem, vote deletion can happen later too.
Thanks. Didn't know that.
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Hi! Just a quick note to let you know that when you report an article as spam (as you just did with two of them) you also need to report the user as well, both on their home page, and on the Spam and Abuse Watch Discussion Boards[^].
If you don't, then when the article closes we have no way to dispose of the spammer and that just makes his job easier next time.
You also get a little extra rep as a "thank you" when you do that.
When you report in S&A, please make sure the title of the article and the username appear in the subject line - that way we don't get multiple reports of the same spam!
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