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Gerry Schmitz9-Nov-23 8:45

Gerry Schmitz

9-Nov-23 8:45

I get "overwhelmed" all the time ... make some Visio diagrams, and all is well again. (Even though I resist initially .. gotta be "programming").

"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

theoldfool8-Nov-23 10:26

theoldfool

8-Nov-23 10:26

In simpler terms:
"Hoe to the end of the row"

>64
Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.

Amarnath S8-Nov-23 14:05

8-Nov-23 14:05

Other topic:

Sometime back, I remember you having mentioned about good resources (books, sites, etc., other than the official tutorials) for learning ReactJS. Am not able trace that message of yours, here in CP. Request you to please point me to that message of yours for ReactJS learning; i intend to learn it now.

Thanks in advance.

raddevus8-Nov-23 15:13

8-Nov-23 15:13

I learned React using the following book
React: Up & Running: Building Web Applications 2nd Edition[^]
It is a fantastic book that gets you started writing code using react immediately.
I took the code int that book and extended it into a control that I wrote up in an article here on CP : LibreGrid: Drop Into Your App, In 5 Minutes CRUD Your Custom JSON Data[^]
Hope this helps Smile | :)

Amarnath S8-Nov-23 15:25

8-Nov-23 15:25

Thanks a lot.

The Indian edition of this book is available on Amazon India, and I'll procure it right away.

And will go through your CP article later today, or over this weekend. This is a long weekend in India, for Diwali, or Deepavali, the Festival of Lights.

Thanks once again.

swampwiz8-Nov-23 17:35

swampwiz

8-Nov-23 17:35

Once you get into it, COM is rather elegant, even with its belts & suspenders.

Bob Grommes9-Nov-23 6:17

Bob Grommes

9-Nov-23 6:17

I had an experience similar to this back in the 90's. A CS post grad fresh out of the local state U had been hired to create a system to process a large volume of data coming from hundreds of different sources. It wasn't getting anywhere, the developer was deflecting and delaying, and I was brought in to assist and assess.

The first thing I noticed is that the app was pretty good ... a bit overthought, arguably with overuse of inheritance perhaps but this guy was a newly-minted dev working on his first real-world project (but at least it was greenfield).

The second thing I noticed is that it had not been compiled in at least the past couple of months, which means it hadn't been tested. I compiled it and there were a handful of syntax errors and the like. Cleaned those up, ran some tests, and it was actually working.

When I asked the dev why it hadn't been compiled he reacted in horror ... he did not like compiler errors, he said, and he always makes everything perfect before compiling his code.

Long story short, they had a working product less than 2 weeks after I came on board. I tried to show the kid how to work in a real-world business environment, how to not let the perfect be the enemy of the good, etc., but he was having none of it. He quit in protest and went back to graduate school at some other university in another state and for all I know, all these years later is still doing perfect ivory tower theoretical work somewhere. I went on to specialize in the industry and have rewritten that system three times for four different companies in the past 25 years.

So this kid was probably on the spectrum or suffering from OCD or both, but the reason doesn't matter so much as that he had actually created a credible system that was nearly production ready, but was unable to pull the trigger on it, just like the guy in the OP's story.

I think the term of art for this is "approach avoidance". Some people are terrified of actually releasing their work into the big wild messy world. And it's probably more common in our craft than in many others because being compulsive and perfectionist is both an advantage and a disadvantage. It attracts perfectionists to the work but puts them off actually finishing it.

jschell9-Nov-23 7:51

jschell

9-Nov-23 7:51

Bob Grommes wrote:
A CS post grad fresh out of the local state U...not been compiled in at least the past couple of months

And obviously the dev was not being mentored for all that time.

raddevus9-Nov-23 9:43

9-Nov-23 9:43

Fantastic post! Really great story! Thanks for sharing.

Bob Grommes wrote:
he reacted in horror ... he did not like compiler errors, he said, and he always makes everything perfect before compiling his code.

!!!!

I love the compiler.
My system has always been.
1. Change a letter or a variable value
2. build
3. inspect errors
4. back to 1.

Build early & build often.
I had always felt like a unknowledgable person because I would poke around and build, build build!
Then someone created that REPL idea[^] and I was like, "guess I'm a genius cuz I been doing that for years." Laugh | :laugh:

Amarnath S10-Nov-23 6:36

10-Nov-23 6:36

Bob Grommes wrote:
he did not like compiler errors

Looks like he relied on a built-in compiler in his head. Smile | :)

Shmoken999-Nov-23 11:36

Shmoken99

9-Nov-23 11:36

I keep telling my kids that my success is "Not from being the smartest guy at work, but from being too stupid to know when to stop trying."

Shmoken999-Nov-23 11:36

Shmoken99

9-Nov-23 11:36

I keep telling my kids that my success is "Not from being the smartest guy at work, but from being too stupid to know when to stop trying."

Shmoken999-Nov-23 11:35

Shmoken99

9-Nov-23 11:35

I keep telling my kids that my success is "Not from being the smartest guy at work, but from being too stupid to know when to stop trying."

charlieg10-Nov-23 3:36

charlieg

10-Nov-23 3:36

okay, that was funny D'Oh! | :doh:

Charlie Gilley

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759

Has never been more appropriate.

What the heck does "serverless" mean?

englebart12-Nov-23 5:41

englebart

12-Nov-23 5:41

Thanks for pointing out the joke. I was thinking “Must be a bad WIFI connection in the loo”

honey the codewitch7-Nov-23 22:51

honey the codewitch

7-Nov-23 22:51

It seems to be all the rage in web circles.

I'm picturing an app that runs entirely in a browser and connects via web based APIs to do its back end processing, but that's my wild guess.

How close am I? I've never gotten a clear answer out of google.

Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

Richard Deeming7-Nov-23 22:56

Richard Deeming

7-Nov-23 22:56

Serverless computing - Wikipedia[^]:
Serverless computing is a cloud computing execution model in which the cloud provider allocates machine resources on demand, taking care of the servers on behalf of their customers. "Serverless" is a misnomer in the sense that servers are still used by cloud service providers to execute code for developers.

So basically, it's marketing BS. Smile | :)

"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer

honey the codewitch7-Nov-23 23:42

honey the codewitch

7-Nov-23 23:42

Maybe that's why I can't understand it even after it's explained. Unsure | :~

Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

raddevus8-Nov-23 2:51

8-Nov-23 2:51

Richard Deeming wrote:
So basically, it's marketing BS.

What in the IT world isn't? Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

Rick York8-Nov-23 5:10

Rick York

8-Nov-23 5:10

Then what it really means is there is no dedicated server.

"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

Amarnath S7-Nov-23 23:29

7-Nov-23 23:29

honey the codewitch wrote:
app that runs entirely in a browser

Something like "thin client", isn't it?

honey the codewitch8-Nov-23 1:34

honey the codewitch

8-Nov-23 1:34

No idea. I'm grasping over here.

It's like "semantic web" - people can explain it to me, and I still don't understand it.

I was hoping maybe someone here could unstupid me but apparently it will remain a mystery.

Oh well, as it's not my arena anyway. Laugh | :laugh:

Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

raddevus8-Nov-23 2:54

8-Nov-23 2:54

It's funny that you mention "what is serverless" because I started reading the book below a few days ago. Read the 1st 3 chapters and i'm still not exactly sure. Laugh | :laugh:

You need to read this entire book, Serverless as a Game Changer: How to Get the Most Out of the Cloud[^] then you still won't know what it is. Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

jeron18-Nov-23 8:00

jeron1

8-Nov-23 8:00

Lately, more often than not, when I see the buzzwords 'game changer', I immediately tune out.

"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

raddevus8-Nov-23 8:20