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I was waiting for you to make a Hellraiser reference right up to the end of your post.

Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

One of my favourite horror franchises. I once made a Pinhead headgear for a party once.

I haven't seen five and above as they're hard to find.

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Top ten reasons why I'm lazy
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0.1 byte.

Angel to some, demon to others. (Insert Windows ME image)

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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

Did the same on a Ubuntu 22.04LTS system and Samsung A22.

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Size 639.7 kB (639,675 bytes)
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Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

trønderen wrote:
Why is the size reported down to deci- and centibytes?

The "cost" includes taxes?

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trønderen wrote:
except that the correct unit would be "419 K

Can't answer the other but that convention for storage has existed for a long time. The K for memory is 1024 and hard drives is 1000. I haven't checked (or even thought about it for a long time) but pretty sure it goes up the same way, so for example G, etc.

Someone might even had tried to create a lawsuit about that long ago?

As for the other probably would be easier to see where it shows up if someone with an IPhone tried it rather than a different Android. If it was the same then more likely something in Windows.

jschell wrote:
Can't answer the other but that convention for storage has existed for a long time.

For hard disks, size has always been given in decimal units - at least all the ones I have ever worked with.

And: Networking people always count bits. When we 35 years ago got 64 kbps ISDN lines, some customers were complaining that they got only a fraction of the expected speed: Less than 8 KB, when they were promised 64! Well, the line transfers exactly (not less than) 8 kilooctets, as promised.

There has been a mess with decimal and binary units for more than 50 years. About 25 year ago, ISO/IEC decided to come up with a solution to clean up the mess. 24 years ago, the standard passed through the formal procedures, and were accepted as an international standard. For 24 years, there has been no reason to carry on the old ambiguity. There is a well defined, internationally recognized standard to show whether you are talking about 1024 or 1000, 1 048 576 or 1 000 000. We all know that before 1999, there was no such standard, but that is long ago! You can't today argue with old millennium lack of standards!

In the old days, some people tried to argue that 'k' is 1000, 'K' is 1024 - completely disregarding that by international standards, 'K' is degrees Kelvin. Those complaining that they got less than 8 kiloBYTES through a 64 kbps line argued that 'B' indicates 'bytes', 'b' indiates 'bits'. One problem is that they could never dig up a promise of 64 KB; only of 64 kbps. Another is that there is no recognized standard defining 'B' to mean 'byte'; if anything (such as by ISO standards), 'B' means 'Bel', a sound level unit (better known as 1/10 Bel, deciBel or dB). If you want to explicitly indicate 8-bit bytes, use the 'o' unit: A 64 kbps line transfers 8 ko per second.

In the old days, a 'byte' could (at least)be from 5 to 9 bit: The space required to store a single character. I guess that there are still machines around providing 6 or 9 bit bytes. In some newer conventions/standards (not at the level of defining general OSI prefixes/units, but e.g. in some programming language standards) 'byte' has been defined as 8 bits. These are application area specific standards - if you want to be very specific about 8 bit units, then use the well defined, standardized unit 'octet'.

Arguing against a standard defined in the previous millennium: 'But earlier in the previous millennium, everyone accepted that we mixed decimal and binary freely without any indication of which were which!', that is no good reason anno 2023 to continue messing things up. It can't be that difficult to add an 'i' after the k, M, G or T when you are talking about binary units. If it is - you don't know whether to add it or not - it proves that there is a mess that you should clean up!

trønderen wrote:
it proves that there is a mess that you should clean up!

Give someone a foot they take a meter.

The display could be tied to international settings?

How does it report a MB size file like TrackingData.log?

Mac was the only platform that I knew that used 1,000 bytes to equal 1KB. This let their 1.44 3.5inch floppy disks appear even larger than the 1.2MB 5inch floppy that many DOS/Windows competitors used at the time. (circa 1986)

Yes, it is "international" in the sense that it honors my format preferences. I prefer grouping digits 3 by 3, I prefer a decimal comma rather a decimal point, and if I set the number of decimals to 3, an MB file size is reported like '15,9 MB (16 693 612,000 bytes)'.

The issue here is neither the use of M rather than the correct Mi, the kind of digit grouping or kind of separator, but the use of a decimal point (/comma) and fractional part when presenting an integer number. When teaching programming, I always refer to count values, which programmers like to call 'int' or 'long', and measurement values, which programmers like to call 'float' or 'double'. That makes it much easier for the students to learn when to use int and when to use float. Those programming this Property sheet obviously has not grasped the idea of the number of bytes being a count of bytes in the file. They treat it as if it were a measurement on a continuous scale.

For the Ki/k and Mi/M question (which is a different issue): All hard disks I ever have been in touch with, regardless of computer family, have had their total size specified in decimal units, like k, M, G and T. Networking people always specified line speeds in decimal units - in bits, not bytes. A 64 kbps line (56 kbps for those in North America) transfers 64000 (56000) bits per second.

Floppies arrived before ISO had defined the Ki, Mi, Gi, Ti, ... prefixes, and things were kind of messy - that is why ISO/IEC decided to clean up the mess by defining the standard binary prefixes. There are lots of examples of mixed use of e.g. decimal number of binary units. (The ISO/IEC standard is well above 20 years old now; yet there are lots of people stubbornly resisting to relate to it, insisting that 'We have been using ambiguous units for years, we insist on continuing to do that and do not want to clean up the mess!' Smile | :)

For the 1.44 MB floppy disks: They did have higher capacity than the 1.2 MB floppies. Maybe it wasn't quite 1.2 times as much - I am not taking the effort to look up the historical details, but when the 3.5" floppies arrived, they did have a (real) higher capacity than the 5.25" ones.

If you go far back in history: In the 1950-60s, machines addressed memory by the word, not by the byte. Memory sizes where given by the number of addressable units: words. Then IBM came with their 360 series, the first major computer series that were byte addressable, and they marketed their memory options by the byte. But their 'kilo' was 1/4 or 1/4.5 (there were lots of 36 bits machines at the time) of the 'kilo' of the competitors. This caused a lot of uproar in the 1960s.

Another unit that has been argued: Well into the 1980s (maybe someone may say even slightly into the 1990s), a byte was recognized as the space required to store a textual character. The Univac 1100 series had two byte size options: Either 6 bit, for 'Fieldata' code, uppercase only, 6 characters to a 36 bit word. Or 9 bit code, usually for ASCII, but when 8 bit character encodings entered the scene, they could be held in a 9 bit byte. The DECsystem 10 and 20 mainframes, also 36 bit machines, went for 7 bit bytes, fitting 5 characters into a word with 1 bit to spare.

In those days, if you were a radio amateur wanting to transmit digital data over your shortwave radio, in many countries you were required to use the 5 bit bytes defined by 'Baudot' telegram code standard. I don't know if that limitation ever existed in North America, and I have never heard of it being enforced in Norway, but formally, it existed longer than anyone would believe.

Thanks for the followup. I have been in my current post longer than the standard!

“kibibytes” sounds like a good name for a dogfood! (kibble)

I guess comp sci graduates after 1999 will know this.

I am curious now to see if advertisements for memory modules will use the correct prefixes.

What to expect?

"If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

chaos, mayhem and rivers of blood.

CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

So everything in normal then... Smile | :)

"If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

Yes, it's Windows nothing more to say.

Is that cynicism still warranted?
I manage several industrial automation networks. We did have to do a lot of work for the DCOM hardening changes that were rolled out over the past 18 months. But other than that I cannot remember having breaking changes in many years.

Maximilien wrote:
rivers of blood.

Plural?

I was hoping for only one river this time.

well, it's a multi-threaded OS ...

Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

Yes, expect chaos! I don't know what it was, but a couple of days ago my laptop started making noises whenever it went into sleep mode. At first, I couldn't figure out where it was coming from. I opened my door and looked outside. I could swear I was hearing gusts of wind, but there was no wind. Then, I realized the noise was coming from my laptop. I can't tell if it's some sort of virus/malware, or if it's a feature implemented by Microsoft. If it's Microsoft, then it's the most stupid thing I've ever seen Microsoft do, and that's saying a lot. There's no shortage of stupidity when it comes to Microsoft. Why would I want my laptop to make breathing sounds as though it were actually sleeping? What's next? Snoring? Will the next update cause my laptop to scream upon exiting Windows?

Steve Raw wrote:
I can't tell if it's some sort of virus/malware, or if it's a feature implemented by Microsoft.

I thought lately it was more or less the same...

M.D.V.

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That's what makes it so difficult. I have to ask myself, is Microsoft really that dumb? They must be.

I've been looking everywhere to figure out what it is and how to turn it off. It only comes on when my laptop goes into sleep mode. If it were a virus/malware, then I have to wonder. Who is dumb enough to make such a stupid thing?

Either way, one thing that I am sure of is that we have an idiot on the loose, somewhere out there. Finding out who that imbecile is would be like searching for a needle in a haystack.

Steve Raw wrote:
It only comes on when my laptop goes into sleep mode.

Suddenly from the very beginning? Maybe the fans? I remember having a friend with similar complains and in his case was a problem of temperature. In the moment he closed the lid the sleeping mode was not switching everything "off", so it became hotter and the fans started to yell.

M.D.V.

If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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Nelek wrote:
Suddenly from the very beginning? Maybe the fans? I remember having a friend with similar complains and in his case was a problem of temperature. In the moment he closed the lid the sleeping mode was not switching everything "off", so it became hotter and the fans started to yell.

I know for sure that the sound is coming from my speakers. I turned the system sound off and was no longer able to hear it. It sounds just like someone sleeping. You can hear it breathe and then it pauses for a few seconds. It repeats indefinitely as though it's on a loop.

Steve Raw wrote:
You can hear it breathe and then it pauses for a few seconds. It repeats indefinitely as though it's on a loop.

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