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charlieg wrote: Today, it gets automatically uploaded to the cloud on my Windows Pro 11 laptop. directly from the phone, without getting a laptop involved.
FTFY.
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maybe so, maybe so. looking real hard at a $20 flip phone.
Meanwhile I have 8 emails from Microsoft telling me I am over "my" storage space. The saga continues... I'll keep this post going as troll bait  Maybe an article.
editorial note - all I wanted is to move my images from my phone (usb device) to my laptop. Why is that so hard?
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
modified 14-Nov-23 15:38pm.
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charlieg wrote: all I wanted is to move my images from my phone (usb device) to my laptop. Why is that so hard?
I don't find it hard. When I plug the phone for charging in the USB socket of my screen, the files on the phone pops up as another USB disk in Explorer. The memory card and 'Phone' appears as subdirectories, and I can (shift)drag&drop to (move/)copy files either way.
I can't see how it could be much simpler. It is just like any other 'Passport style' external USB disk, except that my phone charges at the same time.
I never installed any specific software for this functionality, neither on the phone nor on the PC side. Maybe, first time I plugged it in, the PC asked if I wanted to download drivers, and I answered Yes. It is so long ago that I don't remember.
My phone is a 2016 vintage Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge. My PC is also 2016 vintage; it ran Windows 7 for a few years. Now it runs Windows 10 (and cannot run 11; TPM 2.0 is not available). I am 99.9% sure that file copying this way worked even with Win7 (how else did I get photos transferred to the PC? I never had any alternate solution!)
Of course: 'But it works on my PC!' doesn't solve your problem. It just demonstrates that the software do to it exists.
And then, ready to post this, as a last check I wind back to your initial post in this thread, to read that it used to work that way with your phone, too. You say that there is no way to stop the automatic copying. Does that really include Settings | Devices | AutoPlay and selecting from the dropdown list for 'Samsung Galaxy S7 edge' (replace phone model with whatever phone you have got)? On my PC, I see a menu that includes 'Import Photos and Videos', 'Take no action', 'Ask me every time', and a couple more. If I select the first entry, I would sort of expect it to behave the way you describe. Which alternative have you chosen on your PC? Are the alternatives very different in Win11?
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Yes, I agree, it should be as simple as a cut and paste. I did not fall off the truck recently. But, wait, there is more.
This all started with trying this on Windows 11. It's not the damn phone. It's Windows 11. Stay on topic. What I see on my laptop is that Microsoft has re-arranged the folders on Windows 11. On Windows 10, One drive personal is there, but it's not the default. Windows 11 makes it much more vague. Going through it now before too much adult drink is consumed.
Oh this gets sweet. Now my iPhone is sending me emails that my cloud storage is full.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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My Huawei Android phones offer me to be recognized either as a thumb drive like device or a digital camera (or battery charging only, reverse charging, ...) when connected, beyond HiSuite, their phone manager software.
more details on MTP, PTP, mass storage on Android
Which cloud? Both OneDrive and Huawei Cloud can be configured to what save to the cloud.
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I running Win 11 (in a VM) and I don't have that problem with my phone. I manually copy photos from/to my phone all the time, no automatically uploading to the cloud. I do, however, have 'Phone Link' disabled in the Startup apps section in Task Manager. I've also got One Drive disable there too. I don't use the cloud.
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That might be the issue. The laptop(s) in question are sort of bastardized due to integration with a customer. I have to use certain s/w packages.
I'll keep digging and testing.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Okay, after prepping for Thanksgiving and feeding everyone, I sat back down to take a look at "my problem."
I have a Windows 10 Pro and a Windows 11 laptop. I first attempted the copy of my pictures to my Windows 11 pictures file. I thought that was reasonable. 1/2 way through the copy, everything went tits up. Both laptops started reporting disk full areas, you are out of storage, etc. The confusing part was my iPhone started doing it as well (but had nothing to do with the Windows issue).
After taking a few days off, and looking carefully, the helpful induhviduals at Microsoft moved the Personal one drive folder to the tp of the Windows Explorer. So, if you are accustomed to using your desktop on Windows 10, you might not even notice the change. Digging a little deeper, what I read is Microsoft is making a major push for people to use their network storage solution and are more than willing to elephant with your desktop to misdirect you.
Task 1: copy the photos from my phone to MY pictures folder on Windows 10.
Done.
Task 2: research how to remove this one drive crap from my Windows 11 machine.
In progress.
These are the sorts of changes that Ms*** like to push out and call it mandatory updates. What a joke.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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From CP newsletter.
Following article is odd. I didn't bother reading most of it because the initial part seems just silly.
Warning: New Outlook sends passwords, mails and other data to Microsoft | mailbox.org[^]
Following is from the top....
"Microsoft gets full access to mails, calendars and contacts!"
Anyone that knows how email works knows that the email server must have full access to the email itself. Actually it is very likely that two or more email servers will have access to it.
Even even one has not worked with a email server it would seem obvious that the server cannot deliver the email to someone else unless it actually has the email.
Absolute best one can hope for is that the company states they will not access it.
Only possible option otherwise would be if the originating user encrypted the email and the receiver (the person) decrypted it using a key that is only shared by both.
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The article is about the desktop client Outlook, not Outlook.com. The part that people are upset about is:
Quote: It says that non-Microsoft accounts are synchronised with the Microsoft cloud and that copies of "emails, calendars and contacts are therefore synchronised between your email provider and Microsoft data centres".
Which is not something that most other client-side email software does (to my knowledge). Granted, they do promise not to look at it, but Microsoft doesn't get a lot of "benefit of the doubt" from people these days.
TTFN - Kent
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Kent Sharkey wrote: they do promise not to look at it
Try telling you SO that you have bought a very expensive gift for her, you haven't wrapped it yet and it's under the bed, but promise not to peek.
Let me know how that works for you!
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How do they know what they haven't seen if they haven't seen it?
E.g. "That E-mail contained a password, but we didn't look at it."
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We have a similar situation in Norway: The security services want the right to inspect the contents of information transmitted across the border (and lots of traffic between south and north Norway goes through Sweden) - but only where at least one of the correspondents is not a Norwegian citizen. How would they know the sender and the recipient? They must open it and look at the message!
During the Cold War, one of the jokes (of course it was manufactured in the West, but part of the cold war was claiming that it was popular behind the iron curtain) went like
- I hear that you brother Ivan has been deported to Siberia. Why was that?
- He was slandering the authorities. In a letter to his friend Boris, he claimed that personal letters were opened and read by the authorities.
There is so much in today's society that I recognize from the Cold War - those shocking stories about authorities keeping tabs on all citizens. When we experience the same in our society today, it is of course completely different: We must fight the enemies of our society.
Which is completely different from the explanations given by the communist country authorities during the Cold War, isn't it?
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I hate the federal government. Crap, I hate almost all government, I just want to be left alone. But this bs needs to be nuked.
A new version of the rail barons.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: I hate the federal government. Crap, I hate almost all government, I just want to be left alone.
As long as you can do that without using any kind of force over any other human, that is perfectly fine with me.
My problem is that most people using such arguments, really want to say: I don't want anyone to limit my use of economic power over other humans to earn myself even more economic power. I don't want anyone to limit my pollution of air and drinking water that is consumed by thousands of other people. I want no restrictions on my right to fight down and exterminate any opinion or statement that conflicts with my religious or moral beliefs. I want the full right to behave exactly the way I want, say, in my driving of a car, even though it puts a lot of other people's life in danger. I want the full right to live my life in the way I want, even in a way that is a threat to me, and in case it threatens to destroy me, I expect all those around me to pay up for my treatment.
And so on.
If you really want to live completely unaffected by anyone else, in such a way that your life affects noone else (at least not in any negative / restrictive way), you probably can find ways to achieve it. I can't see how that would be possible with you continuing to make postings to CP.
Freedom can be 'freedom from' or 'freedom to'. Freedom from pollution, regligious powers, economical powers, dangers of all kinds. Freedom to pollute, enforce religious restrictions on the life of others, use my economic power, live my life without concern for my own dangers and the dangers of others.
If you really want all the 'freedom from' without any of the 'freedoms to', then you have my respect. Most others are first and foremost requesting 'freedom to'.
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And even if they do just want be 'left alone,' what if they want to visit their family far away? It sure is nice to have roads that OTHER PEOPLE built, and cars that OTHER PEOPLE built, and gas that OTHER PEOPLE drilled and refined and transported, and electricity that OTHER PEOPLE created the infrastructure and mechanisms for. We are all in this together, whether we recognize it or not. Except for that indigenous tribe that kills foreigners off the coast of Africa or wherever...
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Upon reading the subject line I was reminded of our buddy from a few weeks ago, who was claiming here in the lounge that Microsoft sends every set of credentials your browser knows about to all servers you connect to, because he couldn't comprehend that the passwords being offered to auto-fill a password box were coming from (and being managed entirely by) the browser, and not the remote site...
To me it sounded like more of the same. If you grant the Outlook client permission to fetch your Gmail data so it's all available within the same client...how is that supported to work without access? It needs the credentials. You provide them to it, so it acts on your behalf. That's how it works.
I'm pretty sure MS is extremely familiar with GDPR laws (which the article brings up), and wouldn't intentionally place itself in a position where they'd be blatantly violating them. That page hasn't offered any evidence that MS was sending, to itself, anything it doesn't absolutely need. They're just making the claim.
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There are lots of cases were information peddlers can wash their hands. Yet a lot is leaked.
A couple years ago, journalists from NRK (Norway's major broadcaster) made a series of reports on what they could deduce from "anonymized" tracking information from mobile phones, sold openly. They received no information to identify the persons, but they could see that a mobile phone stayed every night in one specific house, and at 7:30 every weekday went to an office building. They could read that this mobile phone a couple of times during lunch break moved to another office building where a competing company had their offices, and they saw how, after a few weeks, the mobile started going to that other office building every morning.
They also could see the movements of mobile phones usually located at 'Stortinget' (our parliament), and then went on a tour to visit secret military installations. From earlier tracking of where they phone usually spent nights, they could deduce who uses which mobile, so they knew who visited these secret installations. They met secret officers, who were similarly identified by where the mobile spent nights. They tracked which parts of the military installation the parliament representative had been taken, and by whom.
But all the information had been anonymized before being sold. There was nothing in it to identify the owner of the phone. Those collecting the information washed their hands.
I am quite sure that MS will, too. I might trust that they will do everything in good will. But that good will also includes protecting American High Morals, regardless of culture and morals in other countries. If there is something perfectly acceptable and respectable here in Norway - politically, religious, moral - but frowned upon in GOC, I am not going to risk problems by exposing it to neither MS nor any other organization under US control. Even if I may have some archives currently void of US-offensive material, I might add such contents any day. So I keep them all out the hands of any US based organization.
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jschell wrote: Only possible option otherwise would be if the originating user encrypted the email and the receiver (the person) decrypted it using a key that is only shared by both.
Protonmail.
..and I don't trust them either. The alternative is snail mail, and I like it still 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: The alternative is snail mail, and I like it still
Someone actually stopped, chuckled and asked "do people still use that thing?", as I was dropping letter in a mailbox. A quick "![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) off" ended that conversation.
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Well, it works, doesn't it?
I still seal some letters with that red stuff that one melts, and I press a my ring in it. It may be low tech, but it works, and no one ever sent me an Ad based on whats' in there.
Sometimes the seal is broken in modern mail, but never enough to open the envelope. Of course you're not supposed to do that, but it works.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Well, it works, doesn't it?
I'd say that it works for sending, but not for receiving. When I write (that would be 'wrote') a letter to a friend an they answer by returning (that would be 'returned') a phone call, and today you have no response at all but when you meet them, they might (if they still remember you) ask 'Why are you not on FaceBook? It is impossible to reach you! ... Well, then I am not sure that I would agree to 'It works'.
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trønderen wrote: Why are you not on FaceBook? It is impossible to reach you!
Not impossibru; just appropriately hard 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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trønderen wrote: 'Why are you not on FaceBook? It is impossible to reach you!
How did these people ever reach anyone else before Facebook, would be my first question...
I don't miss anyone who thinks the only way to reach someone is by looking them up on Facebook.
About a decade ago I was told "we" had a 20-year high school reunion (a few years prior), and I had not been made aware of it because whoever organized it only bothered to look up and send invites to people on Facebook...
If anyone who knows anything about me searches for my name on the internet at large, they'll only find stuff from a few people who I know happen to share my name and surname, but clearly don't share any hobbies or interests (anyone who knows me would not mistaken me for someone else who posts anything anywhere using my name).
And frankly I'd rather have it that way.
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Could not have said it better!
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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