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Maximilien wrote: No need to maintain a gate that's always broken or a pay booth that never works.
Instead they get to maintain an electronic payment system (that can be easily hacked) and automatic systems to scan license plates and issue tickets.
Poe-tay-toe vs. Puh-tah-toe.
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In the English speaking world, it's Puh-tay-toe.
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In rural parts of the Southern United States it's pronounced Tayter.
Actually, my Maw-Maw (father's mother) said Eyersh Tayters (Irish Potatoes, a russet or the like).
The other kind were Sweet Tayters.
We also have ink pens and straight pins because because pen and pin is pronounced pea-yen.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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It's so long that I lived in a part of the country were dialect was still common that I cannot recall any of the old words.
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In my grandmother's dialect it was 'jørple', pronounced 'jur-pleh'.
Just like French: Pommes de terre. 'Jord' (the 'jør' part) means earth, soil. 'Eple' (the '*ple' part) means 'apple'.
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Maximilien wrote: You can take the chance that no one will come and check the meter, or just pay.
City where I am for a very long time there was not much checking.
Then the city fired all of those that checked the meters. And replaced it with a private company. Which I am sure gets a cut of the collections. So now besides just a meter violation there are all sorts of miniscule laws (like how far you are parked from the curb) which get ticketed a lot more.
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fgs1963 wrote: So this lot has an honor system for paying
Correct. The surface level lots (versus buildings) in my experience almost all use a system like that. It does of course require a person to come around to check the lot at various times. They issue quite expensive tickets if the car has not paid.
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Does there still exist a way to pay without the QR code? There's times when QR codes are helpful/useful but when that's the only option, that's a problem. There's an assumption that everyone has a smart-phone, and that's not true. There's a number of people that don't even own a cell-phone, never mind a smart phone. And that doesn't include the lost, forgotten, broken, or out of juice phones.
And, as you point out, there's many ways that this could be abused. And if you and I can think of ways to abuse this, then you know that others with far fewer scruples are thinking about it, too.
"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants"
Chuckles the clown
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k5054 wrote: There's a number of people that don't even own a cell-phone, never mind a smart phone
I have a phone. It's just never had a sim card put in it.
Still great for "everything else".
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dandy72 wrote: I have a phone. It's just never had a sim card put in it.
Isn't that what we call a "camera"? 
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A camera, an MP3 player, a GPS, a PDA, a voice recorder, a note taker, a flashlight...add any number of apps that don't require a live internet connection (if out of wi-fi range)...
A phone without the phone part is still a lot more useful than people give it credit for.
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I roamed internationally for a week like that. I had WIFI in the hotel, the office, and any restaurant.
I was off grid only when walking a block or two between those locations.
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Nooo... never hotel or restaurant wifi... nooooo...
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VPN's there for a reason.
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My wife uses her brother's old iPhone for FaceTiming with him. It stays charged by her chair in the living room.
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k5054 wrote: Does there still exist a way to pay without the QR code?
Not at that lot. And I did look.
I have used several other lots in the downtown region recently and those still use a credit card reader. Only. Cash not allowed.
One types in the license plate number then selects how long, then the credit card.
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I'd be tempted to just add a few black marks on the QR code with a sharpie ...
"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants"
Chuckles the clown
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Yes, when they assume that EVERYONE has a smartphone it is a big problem, as well as assuming that those who DO have smartphones know how to use QR codes.
REQUIRING everyone to use a smartphone app is a huge burden on the elderly, even if they have smartphones.
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I live in India, and here, we have the UPI: Unified Payments Interface - Instant Mobile Payments | NPCI
When a QR code is scanned, and used for payment, it shows the name of the recipient (on my mobile), and I can refuse to pay if the name looks fishy. The UPI payment system is indeed a robust one.
modified 13-Dec-23 12:45pm.
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I guess that requires mobile phone coverage, supporting all the various standard of all potential customers.
Maybe 100% geographical smartphone coverage is the top priority development goal of every country in the world, ahead of health care, decent and healthy food, education and housing. I read a claim a few days ago that 90% of all adults on earth own a smartphone. I am not sure that I believe that figure, but my impression is that less than 90% have decent health care, food, education and housing. Maybe having a smartphone will help them forget their uncovered needs.
Having mobile technology available as an option is great, but I really dislike how we make ourselves (read: the entire world) totally dependent on it working flawlessly at any time, and is available to every one of us at any time. When I go out for a walk, or go downtown shopping, or whatever, I usually leave my smartphone at home. (Except when I go out with friends who take for granted that they can carry on a conversation with me through texting if the noise at the pub gets so loud that we have problems hearing each other across the table, so we use SMS for chatting )
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Quote: usually leave my smartphone at home.
In the crime dramas I watch, that never suffices for an alibi!😁
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trønderen wrote: When I go out for a walk, or go downtown shopping, or whatever, I usually leave my smartphone at home.
Optimist?
Myself I was an emergency contact for about 10 years which is why I first got a mobile. So it went everywhere with me. To a certain extent I still am.
But now I also consider cases where perhaps I witness an accident or I fall and realize walking further is going to be a problem.
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The parking garage at my doctors office is like that.
Mobile Webapp to pay: enter license plate number, cell number, and credit card.(and maybe spot number?)
Just drive out when you are done and you receive your receipt via SMS within a few seconds.
No honor system, tow trucks are the enforcers.
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I never scan QR codes. Ever.
During lockdown a lot of restaurants wanted customers to scan a QR code to view the menu, but I insisted that they hand me a printed menu, which they all did.
I'm bad enough with reading restaurant menus that the idea of trying to do it on my phone was just not going to happen.
It's not you, it's me.
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