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My father, who was a physician, used to say that only an intern’s diagnosis is certain. All the rest have doubts.
Mircea
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Mircea Neacsu wrote: My father, who was a physician, used to say that only an intern’s diagnosis is certain. All the rest have doubts.
Fantastic quote! I wonder if your father made that up himself or he based it upon this quote?
I know that great minds often think in similar terms so it is very likely your father made up his quote.
Here's the quote I've heard before:
Robert Anton Wilson: Only the madman is absolutely sure.
I've always liked that quote because it has helped me question myself when "I'm absolutely positive!!" 
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raddevus wrote: I wonder if your father made that up himself
I don't know and, unfortunately, it's too late too find out :sad smile: He was mostly referring to lack of experience/knowledge that makes one see only a few possibilities. Something along the lines of "to the one with a hammer, everything looks like a nail". 
Mircea
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Mircea Neacsu wrote: I don't know and, unfortunately, it's too late too find out
Sorry to hear that man. My father has passed too. I never had a great kinship with mine, but can only imagine the anguish of losing a father close to you.
Mircea Neacsu wrote: Something along the lines of "to the one with a hammer, everything looks like a nail".
Jeremy Falcon
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raddevus wrote: This reminds me of a great quote
That's a great quote man. Something of a similar vein I've always said is, "There as two types of people who don't listen, a fool and a genius." Not gonna derail, but just noting another, similar paradox.
raddevus wrote: Paradox!!
Yeah man. Life is not without a sense of wonder ya know. The thing is, we need both. Take the senior side for instance. Let's say he/she is right 9/10 times because they've seen it all. And take the beginner side, let's say they're wrong 9/10 times because they haven't. There's still that 1/10 and that's called change.
It's a cool paradox. IMO, the only problem that arises from it, is when people use that 1/10 to overestimate things. Like, assuming the senior is a fool because of it or that the beginner is the wisest of all creations, etc. To compound the problem, since self-awareness is in short supply, a lot of people mistake time as being the only metric required. It's one of them, but not the only one.
They say one of the hardest things is to achieve success. That's not true; people do it all the time. One of the hardest things is to achieve success and not let it go to your head, ya know.
raddevus wrote: I'm also not even sure which person (beginner or expert) the the quote was originally intended to redirect.
Me not know either. 
raddevus wrote: 1) Was it meant to tell experts that they should be more open?
2) Or, was it meant to tell beginners that they should quiet their minds and do the one thing that solves the issue which by following the path that experts have given them?
Not sure, but a common denominator between the two is understanding both can be wrong and both should listen.
raddevus wrote: It's a great quote!
Jeremy Falcon
modified 26-Mar-24 18:09pm.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: he thing is, we need both. Take the senior side for instance. Let's say he/she is right 9/10 times because they've seen it all. And take the beginner side, let's say they're wrong 9/10 times because they haven't. There's still that 1/10 and that's called change.
Didn't think of it like this, really good point.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: They say one of the hardest things is to achieve success. That's not true; people do it all the time. One of the hardest things is to achieve success and not let it go to your head, ya know.
totally agree
Jeremy Falcon wrote: I've always said is, "There as two types of people who don't listen, a fool and a genius."
Not to forget the deaf  
Is it your quote? or did you hear it somewhere first?
M.D.V.
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Nelek wrote: Is it your quote? or did you hear it somewhere first?
It's mine. There's another tangential quote though that isn't mine... "It takes a genius to recognize a genius." But de udder one is a Jeremy original.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Take the senior side for instance. Let's say he/she is right 9/10 times because they've seen it all. And take the beginner side, let's say they're wrong 9/10 times because they haven't. There's still that 1/10 and that's called change.
I'm reminded of an observation, and conclusion, that someone probably brighter than I am made:
The younger among us will put forth the craziest ideas, because they have no filter, and out of that can come the greatest inventions.
The older among us won't allow their imagination to run so wild, out of fear of embarrassing themselves in front of their peers.
The biggest disservice you can render is to cause a younger person to stop thinking out loud. When it happens, it tends to stay that way.
I usually come down rather hard on the younger generation, but that gave me pause. In the scientific community, they do say that (and I misquote) if you haven't come up your career-defining idea by the age of 30, you probably never will.
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Definitely in the "Senior" category. My BS detector is finely tuned and triggered on a regular basis at my last company but not at the non-profit I currently work for.
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Preach brother. Finding great coworkers is not an easy task. Much like finding a good relationship.
Jeremy Falcon
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Now, I'm a Junior/Mid Level- Senior. Still have to learn new techniques which let me feel as a junior 
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Speaking of paradoxes, saying you're a junior makes you more "seniory".
We should be learning crap all the time though. I know for me, eventually I want to learn some Rust and WebGPU. It has to wait until after a project of mine. Could be a year or two from now. But, we should never stop learning.
Jeremy Falcon
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Another good quote: "the only wasted day is the day in which you learn nothing"
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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Had heard from one of my managers:
It takes 10 years to get 10 year experience. There's no fast track.
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Amarnath S wrote: It takes at least 10 years to get 10 year experience. There's no fast track.
FTFY
There sadly is a lot of people who are 20 years in business and still have less than 5 years experience in it. 
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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That makes sense. 
Jeremy Falcon
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Visual Studio 2022 only cost $40?
MSN[^]
diligent hands rule....
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Hmmm... tempting...
Not a subscription or anything like that?
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not a subscription...
diligent hands rule....
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Why is it available via ExtremeTech site?
Is MS offering the deal or someone else?
This is a very odd offering via MSN.
I wonder why they're offering it for $40 for this limited time?
Thanks for posting, but I just have a lot of questions.
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I bought one copy. it looks real but not install it yet...
diligent hands rule....
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And not to mention, if you're a small organization... what does Pro offer that Community doesn't? And if you're not a small organization, it's not like a $350 difference matters much.
Jeremy Falcon
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Even the paid version requires your MS account - we're using enterprise at work and we still have to sign in.
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