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I always argue with my boss about this matter (guess who always wins
Is the difference just aesthetic or you can throw real arguments on the table. (for examble: a fixed width of a webpage is <750px which lives a blank if you work fullscreen at >=1024. A free width layout doesn't give you control to format your text and images and result to long text lines that are hard for the eye to follow)
Examples of free width are www.codeproject.com and sites with fixed width are www.cnn.com[^]
There are also sites who try to compine both, having the background/header/footer resized to the width of the browser and kipping the page content in a fixed border.
What you people think? What's the best and why? (Please also state if you are a web users or a web developer.  )
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As a user and occasional developer, I much prefer the free form layout method. A fixed-size layout viewed on a screen larger than that targeted by the developer produces a display that is distracting and amateurish. It's true that you have less control over how the page is rendered using this method, but much of the layout can be preserved using CSS elements. A key step in developing such sites is testing the display using multiple browsers and screen resolutions, then optimizing the design to achieve the best possible appearance in most configurations.
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We assume that the worst case is a 800x600 with the quickLaunck and the vertical Scrollbar visible, so a logical coice is a width of ~740.
Layouts that are not fixed or resize down to 740 are either targeting a special group of people or are just bad designs!
Lately we show some sites that were orignally designed to scale to somewhat 730-740, but since then they expanded -their businesses- by adding Google's TextAds to the right.
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we did too but now the new standard is getting to be 1024 wide which gives about 950px to play with
oh... and i always prefer fixed layout
"there is no spoon"
biz stuff about me
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l a u r e n wrote:
we did too but now the new standard is getting to be 1024 wide which gives about 950px to play with
oh... and i always prefer fixed layout
Thanx, for your answer.
I believe it's not time to drop the 800x600 yet,
last time i look there were about 15%-20% of total inet population.
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Fixed width looks as Roger said, amatuerish.
Here is the problem I have width fixed width...
Ask anyone and they'll likely say I hate having to scroll left and right...vertically isn't so bad especially if you have a mouse wheel....
If the developer used a larger resolution than 800x600 which probably half users have (check the w3c for more accurate) and width was fixed at 1024px and I browse the site at 800x600...Im stuck now having to scroll left and right to read text and make sure I haven't missed anything...
Whenever I see required HScrolling I cringe...
I'm a longtime developer and user...the way I see it is this:
I've been using GUI's since they came out...I consider myself an advanced computer user...I spend more time on a computer than most people. So I may not be an expert in usability...I don't believe there can be such a thing...I think the title is ridiculous. However i'm very lazy...if I can't find something pronto or something even slightly annoys me...I know it'll annoy someone not as savvy as me.
As for hscrolling...like I said it annoys me cuz I see it all the time...so if it remotely bothers me...it probably bothers average users...
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Hockey wrote:
Fixed width looks as Roger said, amatuerish.
Here is the problem I have width fixed width...
Ask anyone and they'll likely say I hate having to scroll left and right...vertically isn't so bad especially if you have a mouse wheel....
Geting a horizontal scrollbar at 800x600, has nothing to do with whether you use a fixed or non-fixed width to your layout. Please, switch to 800x600 and return to THIS page! See? Although Codeproject doesn't have a fixed width, the page doesn't scale below 800px and you get a horizontal scrollbar . Now go to cnn.com and see how they get it right (although they haven't predicted a quicklanch or an office toolbar  )
A nicelly design page has to be fixed or resize down to somewhat ~740 pixels.
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It really depends on the content and type of site. Most of the time though, I pefer fixed width. That being said, I do not like sites over 800px width. I guess some people still browse with their window maximized, but not me. I always keep my browser window open at around 800px and of course have many windows open at a time.
For fixed sites though, it is best if they center in the window. That way if the browser is wider, it will still stay in your focus and not crammed over to the left.
Another aspect is the stretched content. As an example, when I was building www.HintsAndTips.com, I did not want the text of a tip to expand across a browser window into one line per paragraph. It is much easier to read if the text is shorter in width so that your eye does not lose its place when coming back to the next line.
I have seen a couple sites though that break their text up into dynamic columns which gives you the narrow text but still have free style layout, but this is only good for large texts.
About Fixed sites looking non-professional, I think: http://www.ZDNet.com[^] and http://www.GuiSoft.com[^] look professional and are fixed width.
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Thanks for your feedback.
I agree with you 100%
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Is there any programing standard used to measure and save the amount of time a user views a page? I am setting up a website with video conferencing through a webcam, and I couldn't find anything documented.
What I did was use PHP, MySQL, and Flash. I made a table called hoursused, with the fields userid, in, out, and id(which is set as the primary key).
When a user logs in, their user id is saved in a PHP session variable. When they go to the webcam page, a PHP script makes a new record in the Hoursused table, and updats the Userid field with their userid, the In field with the current date and time, and the id field, which updates using the auto_increment property. This script also saves the Id value in a session variable.
On the webcam page a flash object calls a PHP script every minute. It updates the Out field with the current date where the Id field equals the id value in the PHP session variable.
Comments, anyone?
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Hey thanks for your help, but this looks like it won't log the time if a user exits out of the browser, or if their computer shuts off due to a power failure. It looks like it will post the variables to the database when the submit button is pressed.
What I did was make a JavaScript applet that calls a PHP script every minute. The PHP updates a single record with the current time.
On entrance to the webcam page, their TIME USED is automatically increase by one minute to prevent people from reloading the page every 59 seconds.
A PHP script makes sure the Javascript is loaded. If it is not loaded, the page displays an error.
I also added a safeguard to prevent people from reloading the page every 1:59 seconds (which will equal one minute).
A PHP script will flag a user who reloads the page more than three times. If this occurs, a customer representive can inspect the usage log, manually bill the customer for the time used, and also terminate the customer account.
Thanks for the help, though!
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You can capture unload event like this:
<body onload='foo1()' onUnload="alert('Hi')">
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Anonymous wrote:
You are kidding, aren't you? IMHO that msgbox is very, very annoying...  bad example...
Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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dnh wrote:
You are kidding, aren't you? IMHO that msgbox is very, very annoying... bad example...
Frankly speaking,I am serious about what I have written and am not kidding.
I seriously feel that solution is, what I have written.
If u think that I am wrong then Please Guide.
Ranjan Goyal
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rgoyal wrote:
I seriously feel that solution is, what I have written.
Do we both mean that alert()? Yes, trapping onunload is good idea... Bt displaying messagebox (that's what alert do, yes?) after user closes browser ... arrg Probably you only showed example of handling onunload and I only say it's bad example. 
Did you mean something like <body onload="foo();" onunload="form.myform.submit();">?
You are not wrong, your solution is ok You must only delete that alert and swear that you'll never ever display messagebox after user closes browser window 
do you agree?
David
Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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yes, following was my intention that you guessed.
<body onload="foo();" onunload="form.myform.submit();">?
Of course I never use alert after browser window is closed.
and I really like following sentence on ur every post:
Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
Regards,
rgoyal
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Anonymous wrote:
Of course I never use alert after browser window is closed.
Sorry, one never knows...
Anonymous wrote:
and I really like following sentence on ur every post:
Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
 yeah, I wish it was as easy as it's written. This quote comes from one very special girl's email.
whole dam*ed story[^]
Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Hi,
i have two web servers running on my machine.
1)IIS on port 80.
2)WebMail on port 8080. have its own web server, and can not run under iis.
i want to access my webmail through IIS.
i was thinking about writing a very simple proxy which will redirect my requests from the iis to the the webmail and its responses back to me.
can it be done? i think that it can, aren't proxies doing that very thing?
please help.
thanks
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Why not set up an HTML page with an IFRAME with its SRC property set to your mail app?
<IFRAME SRC="http://myWebMail:8080/default.asp"></IFRAME>
Or if you could use server-side redirection to accomplish the same.
No, you're not accessing it directly from IIS and from the setup you described it never will. There is a way to set up IIS to forward requests on with a specific signature (ie. ALL requests ending in JSP get forwarded to a J2EE server), but I'm not certain on how to do it. You'd be accomplishing the same task with an HTML page or server-side redirection.
-John
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If your iis box supports cgi, use a cgi proxy such as nph-proxy.cgi. Make a form with hidden fields which post the address of your webmail server to the proxy file.
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Hi.
It sounds like this is want i needed.
could you point me to a nph-proxy's website?
or some place which i can download the cgi code and find some HOW-TO docs.
thanks
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Hi,
I have a poll on my website. I'm looking for someone that can help guide me to complete the poll. I'm stuck at the moment. I have a couple of options to choose from, then the user can submit the form to a WebsitePoll.asp page. Here it increments the poll count in the database and displays the results. But, bext to the submit button is a view results button. If the user clicks on this, it also goes to the WebsitePoll.asp page, but doesn't increment the database table.
I need to do a test to see if the submit button or preview button was clicked on. Remember that they both go to the same page, and I need to when to increment and when not to. I have named the name attributes of all the option buttons name="poll". I can do a test like
If Not IsEmpty(Request.Form("poll")) Then
' Add code to add to database
End If
But this won't work because the user can select an option, and not click on submit, but on to view the results. And because Request.Form("poll") is not empty, it will still increment the database. And I don't want this to happen.
Thanks
Brendan
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Option 1:
Give the submit button a name (e.g. "btnSubmit"), and either give the view button a different name, or no name. Check for Request.Form("btnSubmit") to see if the user clicked submit.
Option 2:
Give all of the buttons the same name, and each button a unique value. Test the value of Request.Form("btnSubmit") against the button values to see which one the user clicked.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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hello
i am trying to create a website that will automatically search a list of websites for a specific keyword every hour
i then need the website to display a link to any new pages that contain the keyword.
if this isn't clear then please visit http://www.newsnow.co.uk
as my intended site is very similar to that.
my problem is that i do not understand quite how to do this.
should i use a spider
or a database
or both
or something completely different
i am quite a newbie and any help would be greatly appreciated.
thank you
paul
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