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Everything Telerik is banned from my office. If they are transferable we have some Telerik points we can send your way. We earned them by finding valid bugs that they refused to fix. But, no I've no experience with Kendo UI, and I hope I never do. Personally, I don't blame the company too much, I just think that any control library that tries to be a super configurable jacknife is just going to be full of bugs and conflicting edge cases no matter the quality of the team that is forced to build it.
I think the key with control packages is that you need to accept some of their default behaviors as your standard. As someone stated earlier, most control packages work great as long as you stay in their sweet spot, once you leave the sweet spot it's hit or miss.
I do use the Kendo MVC products. Like several people have already said, their documentation is sparse and their examples are either too simple or cluttered with a lot of stuff that isn't relevant to what they are trying to show. Forum support is also less than stellar. They seem to devote their dev money to adding new features rather than improving the existing ones. Having said that, I've worked with other products too... they all seem to have shortcomings somewhere. We have a substantial investment w/ Telerik and must maintain licensing to support older projects... so I keep working w/ Kendo on new projects too. Someone else already said all of these control suites seem to be pretty good, as long as you stay within their box... if you're not already committed to Kendo, then I would look at others and use whatever is closest to what you need... the more you try to alter functionality, the more problematic it will get.
We stopped using Telerik years ago. We contacted tech support about a bug and were informed that even though they could see the problem, we were the only ones to ever complain so they had to intention of fixing it.
Their documentation does suck - mainly because of the poor format they publish it in online (a single page with no proper index/TOC) but the framework and controls are pretty neat; I can't say we've had more stupid bugs than in any other control/web ui framework and at no point have we had anything that couldn't be worked around with a bit of manual labour
Customization can be tricky at first because the framework is somewhat complex, but once you get your head into their way of doing things, it's really not too hard. We use the grid control extensively and have done some crazy things with it, once we "got" the concepts it really isn't hard.
But I wouldn't bother with the MVC helpers personally - they save time in the short-term but will cost you long-term if you need to customise, they are super opinionated and very hard to modify their generated markup/script.
Also personally I found their support pretty good once you have a paid subscription. The free support options aren't great (read-only forums, stack overflow, etc) but YMMV.
There is however a much simpler method, using the same shotgun: Put the dangerous end of the barrel under a mathematicians chin, push up forcefully and say "Pi to 6 significant digits or I pull the trigger, squire"
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
The 870 isn't what it used to be. After the company was sold some years back the action was cheapened and isn't as good. If you buy one, get an older used one. On the other hand, Mossberg quality ain't that bad.
Mossbergs are adequate guns. My wife bought herself a 20-gauge, and when you're at the business end of the muzzle, I'm positive you will not be smirking or exclaiming, "What!? A Mossberg?!"
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
Now, now... I've got a Mossberg 500 I bought about five years ago, but never took out of the closet. Recently a lady friend bought herself a shiny, new Remington 870 and wanted to take it out for a shoot, so I grabbed up my cheap Mossberg and we went to the range. Guess who's gun was much more accurate than hers?
Are you sure that it was the "gun" that was more accurate? After all, you've more practice shooting tubular devices...
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Are we really supposed to believe this was anything other than an excuse to get paid to go to the shooting range while supposedly working?
Wish I'd thought of it first.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
The Zombie Survival guide teaches us that a better standoff survival weapon during the apocalypse is a cross bow. The reason for this is zombies are attracted to loud noises. Way before you get your 200th firing of bird shot off your intestines will be in the process of being consumed by your estranged infected 3rd wife.
Please redo the experiment with a crossbow and publish your results, a detailed procedure is required.
Hi Guys thought i should start an interesting debate topic
My recent research into robotics has made me contemplate Azimov's laws and the possible loopholes in the laws 1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. 2. A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. 3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law
Well lets say we can put the exact comprehension of such law's in the required 1's and 0's
and also forgetting the massive loophole exposed in i-robot where we basically get owned by the first law.
How else could a robot willingly harm a human while obeying the laws.
Well how about creating its own robot army and then willingly walking away before the dangerous robot army becomes alive (well the inaction phrase basically covers this)
How about the ability for a robot to change its own base code , that will erase these directives. (would that be a violation of any of these rules)
Edit - Now I know the guy wrote these years ago and he could not have possibly have contemplated robotics in its current state and sophistication. This is merely a debate topic for (find the loophole or try to perfect it) its not like I am going to send his relatives a bill for a robot rampage, it goes without saying but apparently I have to say it