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I have enough monitors, drives (internal and external), network accessories, cases, etc. I can get by with a new motherboard and cpu, for starters.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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Right. And maybe new/more RAM. And probably a bigger M.2 drive.
Right. And maybe new RAM. And probably a larger M.2 drive.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Right. And maybe new/more RAM. And probably a bigger M.2 drive.
"A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money".
Certainly, this statement (if Everett McKinley Dirksen ever made it - people dispute that) was not about PCs but the US state budget. And then: It dates back to around 1960. We've seen some inflation since then. (In Norway: A factor of 16 since 1960.)
I dug up some old BYTE magazine for a few random picks. (For inflation factors: Check that up. I used Norwegian factors. Your country's mileage may differ!):
March 1976 - For inflation, multiply by 6-7:
4K RAM - $180, or $45,000,000 for a gigabyte.
Video card, 16 lines, 32 characters (no graphics, grayscale or color) - $230, add $25 for 64 ch/line.
Complete system: 4K RAM (expandable to 8K), 6800 CPU, keyboard, built-in TV interface (16 lines, 21 chars) & CC player interface for data storage. All of this can be yours for just 860 (1976-)dollars!
March 1989 - For inflation, multiply by around 2.5:
Complete system: 386/25 MHz, 1 MB RAM, Color VGA, diskette drive, 101-keyboard, LPT/COM*2 ports, 322 MB disk - $9,099.
2 MB RAM (on board with sockets for expansion to 10 MB) - $1195, or $611,840 for a gigabyte.
16 MHz 80387 math coprocessor - $695.
Logitech Mouse - $139.
Hayes SmartModem 2400 bps - $439.
HP Laserjet - $1750.
Sept. 1995 - For inflation, multiply by 2:
CD burner (SCSI controller included) - $1495.
Complete system: 133 MHz Pentium, 8 MB RAM, 540 MB disk, 15" CRT, 4X CD-ROM, SoundBlaster, speakers, keyboard, mouse: $2499. Add $109 for network interface.
Portable IBM ThinkPad 755CX 5/75 810MB - $6999.
Apple Color Laser 12/600 - $6989.
Tektronix Phaser 540 - $8995.
21" NEC XP21 - $2169.
Pentium 133 CPU - $999.
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I don't ever use my personal laptop as a laptop, so I'm considering a mini/micro PC with all of the hookups so I can just keep using the same monitor and keyboard. Might get an additional monitor since I do use the one on my current laptop. These run much cheaper, as they should, and I'd get exactly what I want without having to build it myself. I am considering putting Ubuntu on it - or getting one with it installed.
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Wow, I had forgotten the pain of "I have to upgrade my computer every two years issue", I use to have. I switched to OSX, WSL, and ubuntu years ago and since they I only had to upgrade about once ever 8 years or so. When I need windows I just run parallels. Say what you want about Apple, their hardware even when running windows lasts.
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The video cards are getting expensive as some mid-range systems. Top end cards are the price of a whole PC from a couple of years ago!
Check out this video to see how ridiculously large they're getting: Testing the Nvidia RTX 4090 - YouTube[^]
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
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That video is hilarious. Pretty soon, GPUs will be able to time travel too.
Jeremy Falcon
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In Israel, a Lenovo laptop (Intel Core i9, 64GB RAM, NVidia RTX 4070) sells for about NIS 12,000 (USD 3,200). A 4K 31".5 screen (Samsung/Philips/Lenovo) can be had for under NIS 2,000 (USD 540). You are being robbed.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: You are being robbed.
I didn't buy yet. Fortunately still sitting in my shopping cart. Figured I'd swing by CP first. Will check out Lenovo over here at least to see if I can get a deal. Thanks.
Jeremy Falcon
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Absolutely true! I priced the new 64-core Threadripper and it's over $6,000!
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Time we take up pole dancing, mate.
Jeremy Falcon
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i bought this refurbished desktop [^] for peanuts . maybe you can buy 35 of the same and have quite a shop .
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong
I admire your optimism. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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like I view Photoshop pricing or Visual Studio Pro license, if its what helps me make the money for my job, then its a tiny amount to what my income is
If its a hobby that do 1 hour a week, way too much.
A hobby that do 2-3 hours a night - gaming, and smooth no jitter is what I want, sure
If just watching videos, and browsing internet, uhm no.
And yeah, computers in 1995 still cost more then comparable product range today.
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I'm a professional. Although I do have work computers and this one is my personal one. My main want with this is 64GB of RAM in a laptop. Turns out, any laptop with that don't come cheap.
Jeremy Falcon
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64GB is an awful lot of memory for a laptop. I have a VM host with that much, and I'd like it to have more, but that's a VM host.
What do you realistically need in a laptop that requires it to have 64GB of RAM?
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dandy72 wrote: What do you realistically need in a laptop that requires it to have 64GB of RAM?
640K ought to be enough for anybody. - Bill Gates
Jeremy Falcon
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You know he never said that, right?
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The most interesting part is when he was asked about this quote. He didn't positively confirm that he had said it, but if so, it must have been in in discussions about how much of the 8086 1Mbyte total address space should be reserved for for the OS, drivers and such, and how much should the user control. His opinion was that it was fair to reserve 6/16 of the address space for OS & drivers, with 10/16 of the address space for user programs.
In that context, the statement makes perfect sense. I am willing to stand up and defend Bill Gates.
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kalberts wrote: In that context, the statement makes perfect sense. I am willing to stand up and defend Bill Gates.
Oh snaaaaap.
Jeremy Falcon
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The bit I believe I heard from Gates himself is that being a technology guy, he knew even early on that you can never set some arbitrary figure as "good enough", in perpetuity.
Simple enough that I absolutely believe it.
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Really? Well crap.
Reminds me of this quote though...
Abraham Lincoln wrote: Not every quote you read on the Internet is true.
Jeremy Falcon
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I thought that quote was attributed to Benjamin Franklin???
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Wow Jeremy.
Are you sure you're not over spec'd on your needs? I think the problem with laptops is that raising some given requirement ups the whole package. I guess if you're a gamer that needs a $1k GPU, then it is what it is.
My laptop is a three-year old, lower-end gaming box that cost $1200, adding an SSD, plus $200 for the 2nd monitor. From a work perspective, I'm amazed at what it can have running without missing a step. VS, Corel, two IDE editors, two browsers with multiple windows (and more tabs than I can count), Outlook, Teams, Word and Excel with multiple docs, Zoom, etc. And, I keep it in sleep mode many nights so not rebooted often. The price today isn't much different than it was.
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MikeCO10 wrote: Are you sure you're not over spec'd on your needs?
Yes and no. Yes, maybe... but I also value my time. I don't want to upgrade often and it's a distraction and waste of time. So, I'd rather overshoot and wait 5 years before doing this again than try to upgrade every 2-3 years. The more beefy you go, the further out you can make your machine lasts.
Jeremy Falcon
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