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Luc Pattyn wrote: Bookmarking something now yields 10 Organizer points, that is 10 times more than any other organizational action. This is complete nonsense
Somewhat agreed. +10 is on a higher side. Though:
Luc Pattyn wrote: how is bookmarking much more important than voting something up?
Assuming, bookmarking does not use 'rep color' factors and is a fixed +10, it's not as important as a Vote which varies from 10-40 based on rep color.
Luc Pattyn wrote: how is bookmarking much more important than reporting inappropriate material?
It's an appreciation kind of for a good article. I found lots of times users just bookmark good articles and don't vote. Bookmarking does show a value to an article.
Giving more points to something which show's more value looks okay to me compared to giving less points to something that is inappropriate and will be removed after screening and not accessible anymore.
Luc Pattyn wrote: how is bookmarking one's own stuff worth anything? is it any relevant to the community?
With you on this. Bookmarking own article should not give points. Voting own article has a reason but I too don't find any good reason to give points for bookmarking own article.
Luc Pattyn wrote: Once again it is unclear whether a rep color factors in, and if so, which one.
This surely is unknown/confusing if it is in play. Though, for now, it looks to me that it's fixed.
Luc Pattyn wrote: Say 1 point for each suggestion/bug entered, and one more for each day it remains unresolved.
Hey, 1 is too less, don't you think so? 
Further, adding to what you are proposing, what about:
1. if a valid bug is reported, OP should get some credit?
2. if a suggestion is good, OP should get some credit?
Best bug, best suggestion of the month kind of thing - decided only by Chris/CP team. 
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I agree to this. Even i can't able to accept myself as a platinum member in Organizer(Today accidentally noticed my profile)  . For Bookmarking, we may give 1 point which is enough like other minor things.
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Does an up-vote give you +10 rep points? If so a bookmark should also give you the same since it's kinda equivalent to an up-vote.
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No, organizer actions yield 1 point, except the new bookmark action, which is 10 points.
And that is for articles, tips, forum messages, whatever (including your own).
Downvoting something once yielded 1 org point, and got abused by some; therefore is has been totally abandoned, which was the wrong decision IMO.
The new invitation for abuse is: post 1,000 drivel messages and bookmark them all, that yields 10K org points. Remember: you get what you reward.
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Luc Pattyn wrote: The new invitation for abuse is: post 1,000 drivel messages and bookmark them all, that yields 10K org points. Remember: you get what you reward.
Wow, I didn't realize that.
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We'll make it so you don't get points for bookmarking your own. I've also adjusted points a little.
Overall: yes, any system can be gamed in any number of ways. This ism't, however, going to stop me looking for ways to reward hardworking members with awesome articles.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: reward hardworking members
No problem, as long as you don't equally or more reward things that are very easy to do, not worth much, and shouldn't be rewarded at all.
Bookmarking someone else's messages is in fact easier than creating and bookmarking your own. So I don't think bookmarking a message should yield anything, and certainly no more than simply upvoting it. If you must, this is a rare situation where I would put a time-based cap. Say reward no more than 5 bookmarks a day (per member obviously).
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Chris Maunder wrote: We'll make it so you don't get points for bookmarking your own. I've also adjusted points a little.
Cool. Btw I don't see any change in my organizer score. Is there a background task that updates the score when you change the scoring pattern?.
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We need to do a full repopulate of the data. Ironing out the last few issues at the moment. We'll then do a test run, do some sanity checks, make sure Luc's and John's rep values are wildly change in inconsistent ways, then deploy to everyone else.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: make sure Luc's and John's rep values are wildly change in inconsistent ways, then deploy to everyone else.
Missed my chance... 
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Chris Maunder wrote: We need to do a full repopulate of the data. Ironing out the last few issues at the moment. We'll then do a test run, do some sanity checks, make sure Luc's and John's rep values are wildly change in inconsistent ways, then deploy to everyone else.
Alright, thanks Chris. And yeah please do mess with Luc's and John's reputation points - they both that.
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Luc Pattyn wrote: However I haven't noticed any sudden rise in points
That's because we haven't added these retroactively yet.
Luc Pattyn wrote: that is 10 times more than any other organizational action. This is complete nonsense
Please see my comments to John[^]
I have also adjusted some of these values.
Luc Pattyn wrote: Once again it is unclear whether a rep color factors in, and if so, which one
Descriptions will be enhanced.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Organizer points appear to be on the mend! Woot!
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001
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You are aware Organizer is to be considered a negative quality? by getting more Org points you are moving away from CG.
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I'd like to have disorganizer-points awarded for messing things up.
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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you really ought to try harder.
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If you are talking about a positive change then based on recent changes bookmarking anyones article would award you some org points too.
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Hmmm, I don't see the correlation between bookmarking and being an organizer, but... ummm... okay.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001
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"Organiser" means you help organise the content. This can be by selecting new tags for an article (on the feature list), voting it as good or bad, or bookmarking it - the ultimate expression that it is of value to you in some way.
Think about how many articles you vote for, and how many you bookmark. It takes a lot more to bookmark an article. We can then look at the bookmark count for each article and use that to provide information on how useful an article is. You have, in effect, helped us organise the content into "good" and "other".
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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The points are all a little (and for you, I mean a teeny tiny amount compared to your total) out of whack. We've introduced new points (as you know), changed their value a little, and will soon recalculate the entire rep history to retroactively add in previous actions for which points are now awarded.
If all goes well all you will notice is a change in your points for the better.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: If all goes well all you will notice is a change in your points for the better.
One can only hope.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001
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Chris Maunder wrote: and will soon recalculate the entire rep history to retroactively add in previous actions for which points are now awarded.
Que the "why has my rep dropped by 90%" posts in 5... 4...
3x12=36
2x12=24
1x12=12
0x12=18
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Now Button caption as "Submit your answers", i think it should be "Submit your Votes" or "Submit"
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When answering surveys you are selecting (or providing via text box) answers that best match your thoughts on a question. They are not necessarily votes.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I have just posted an article and 3 matters arose which I wanted to tell you about:
1) If you fill in the first page (Naming and setup), press the "Next, article uploads" button and then for whatever reason decide to stop and start again later, you find that the basename you used has been created, and when you try again you get a "basename already in use" error and have to think of a new name.
2) I couldn't find the "skill level" selector on page 1 anywhere, although it is mentioned in the notes
3) I submitted a large article by preparing it as HTML first, selecting the "bare HTML <>" button on the subission page and pasting the whole lot in. When I pressed <> again to return to WYSIWYG view I found I could edit anything. I had to keep returning to the HTML view to make changes - made even more difficult because the cursor positions of the two views appear to be independant.
Apart from that - it's a great site and I use it very often.
Dave
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