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David Wulff wrote: it saves time in the long run by getting it right to start with
So true of nearly everything...
"...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
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David Wulff wrote: Periods (full stops) in documentation (and this message) are always followed by two spaces,
Phew, I'm not alone! 
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You just described me to a T. Everything I do is obsessively organized. Music? Artist -> Album > Songs. Code? I can't stand a line of code misaligned by a single space. Spelling? Don't get me started. 
David Wulff wrote: Periods (full stops) in documentation (and this message) are always followed by two spaces, even though web browsers won't display them.
Why two?  I've always used a single space, because that's how I see it everywhere.
Cheers,
Vikram.
"Life isn't fair, and the world is full of unscrupulous characters. There are things worth fighting for, killing for and dying for, but it's a really small list. Chalk it up to experience, let it go, and move on to the next positive experience in your life." - Christopher Duncan.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote: I've always used a single space, because that's how I see it everywhere
That's because web browsers don't display it properly. 
Traditionally you would use two spaces after a period when typing a letter on a typewriter as it used fixed-width letters and symbols with the period positioned in the centre of its block. It has carried over to modern print and electronic writing because it makes text easier to read, especially when faced with a large block of text (for example, a letter or a contract).
It is not as necessary as it was thanks to the much better fonts we have now, but with some fonts it can still make quite the difference. I do it here even though no one ever sees the difference because the message editing textarea uses a fixed-width font. Two spaces makes it much easier for me to proofread.
As an example, try opening a large text document and replacing all the single period spaces with doubles, then see how much easier it is to skim read.
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David Wulff wrote: That's because web browsers don't display it properly.
I was mainly referring to books.
David Wulff wrote: As an example, try opening a large text document and replacing all the single period spaces with doubles, then see how much easier it is to skim read.
Hmm... it doesn't appear any easier, but the extra spaces kinda stick out and are actually ungainly. Maybe that's because I'm doing it for the first time. 
Cheers,
Vikram.
"...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote: I was mainly referring to books.
You will find that most books, especially novels, do still use double spacing after periods. It may not be as obvious as it is with fixed-width fonts, but if you compare the gaps with those following commas you will see they are wider. Most magazines seem to be the same too. It's purpose is to help you quickly skim read back to the place you left the story when you last put it down by helping you jump between sentences.
That said, I have noticed some technology books don't do this anymore, such as product manuals and books authored by developers. It's a shame because it makes it a lot harder for me to read them. Likewise, many people fail to use paragraphs correctly anymore, even in professional writing. I believe this is one of the reasons why Word 2007 introduced the one-break pargraph by default, instead of having to enter two breaks.
Don't feel too bad about it, you are a member of the growing majority and if it works well for you then there isn't a problem. Eventually the practise will die for convienience. People just don't care about writen communication any more, double-spacing is the least of our problems when four out of ten of our primary school leavers are unable to even use full stops (periods) in the first place. Pupils 'unable to use full stops'[^]
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote: the extra spaces kinda stick out and are actually ungainly
I wrote this message with double spaces, how far did you get before noticing it?
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David Wulff wrote: I wrote this message with double spaces, how far did you get before noticing it?
The end of sentence one...
If two spaces after a full stop is good enough for LaTeX, it's good enough for me.
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Count me out of the 'I don't care about written communication' group. I cringe when I see native English speakers write things like "Your right, it's cool" or "I could of told you that".
David Wulff wrote: Eventually the practise will die for convienience. People just don't care about writen communication any more
Sometimes, Dave... [Vikram munches on a carrot] I think you go too far trying to prove your point. 
Cheers,
Vikram.
"...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.
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There's always one. 
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote: Music? Artist -> Album > Songs
Slacker, that should be Genre -> Artist -> Album -> Songs 
I'd love to help, but unfortunatley I have prior commitments monitoring the length of my grass. :Andrew Bleakley:
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I'm seriously considering using Language as a root, which will contain different artists in subfolders. I can count 5 languages that I regularly listen to.
I don't really care for the genre. I fill in the Genre tag in the MP3s, but that's about it.
Cheers,
Vikram.
"...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote: can count 5 languages that I regularly listen to.
 5 Languages? I can bearly sign along with the one language I know
I'd love to help, but unfortunatley I have prior commitments monitoring the length of my grass. :Andrew Bleakley:
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David Wulff wrote: on idesign.net[^]).
Wow. There's some good resources there!
Marc
Thyme In The CountryPeople are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith
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Most of them have built if functionality to do the reformatting of your source for you. So as long as you setup a proper standard, every time you press the little button "reformat source" its prefect
Ok seriously, ya I have to have it perfectly aligned. This also includes how many characters per row. Unfortunately languages like C# and Java tend to deliver much longer characters per line than lets say C++.
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I hate the automatic formatting... it always screws up the formatting I like, some features you can't switch off...
V.
I found a living worth working for, but haven't found work worth living for.
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Actually the IDE's I use give you full control over how its formatted. Also if you notice something still happening that you don't like in your configuration, I am sure you can goto the .xml or .conf or.cfg file that it uses and remove it manually.
Plus it helps when you are on a large team and multiple people have touched a single source file, this way you can have it "your way" with a click, rather than an hour of bashing the dev beside you :P
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Signal-9 wrote: this way you can have it "your way" with a click, rather than an hour of bashing the dev beside you
Now where's the fun in that?
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Nitron wrote: Signal-9 wrote:
this way you can have it "your way" with a click, rather than an hour of bashing the dev beside you
Now where's the fun in that?
hmmm you do have a point 
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Signal-9 wrote: Actually the IDE's I use give you full control over how its formatted.
And what IDE's are those? I've been seriously looking for something like this, but haven't come across it yet.
Many thanks!
- Kevin
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Currently using ReSharper 2.5 and it allows you to change all the options for when formatting the code, from where to place spaces to how many blank lines between members and methods. It's absolutly perfect
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True. While I love Visual Studio 2005 way of formatting, in some cases, it sounds too much intrusive too.
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I used to hate auto-formatting tools until I saw VS 2003 IDE. But, this is really good for formatting. Earlier, I used to spend hours to make the code fully aligned. But, now I can just remove the last closing brace (})(usually associated with a namespace) and re-enter it - the entire code in the class is fully aligned !!!. This really saves me a lot of time.
Also, I got some VS macros for regionizing code as well as for removing extra blank lines. All these makes formatting very easy.
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Signal-9 wrote: Unfortunately languages like C# and Java tend to deliver much longer characters per line than lets say C++.
Yep, Java and C# are just way too wordy, but that is true even for C++ as it is now (some nice changes are scheduled for the next version of the Standard). Languages like ML and Haskell have very expressive and yet readable syntax. Of the .NET languages, Boo probably has the nicest syntax I have seen so far.
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The fact with automatic reformatting is that might mess file merging. I'm speaking about team development, where merging changes is often necessary.
The best way is to define formatting rules and stick to them in the whole team.
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