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Assuming you are up here in Toronto, that pile should have shrunk considerably over the last week or so 
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Yeah, I was wondering if someone would cotton on to me there 
Whereabouts are you? And do you know which month the sun is meant to shine?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Toronto - Parklawn & Queensway.
The sun shone for a few hours earlier this month, used up our quota 
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I just tried to quote one in FF 3.6.16, and discovered that if I only selected the text inside the pre-block it didn't put the pre tags into the paste. I had to select before/after material as well and manually remove it.
3x12=36
2x12=24
1x12=12
0x12=18
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You got me by surprise here. When you copy a code snippet into a source editor such as Visual Studio, you probably don't want the PRE tags at all. And that happens to be what I do most of the time, testing some code an enquirer has provided. So I'd rather not get its behavior changed.
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
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Ummm what? 
Why would I be using the CP Quote Selected Text button to load stuff onto my clipboard to paste into Visual Studio? In FF 3.6.16 it doesn't put anything on the clipboard at all. Even if it did, why would I want any of the other markup in VS when a simple copy/paste gets completely unformatted text to paste into the editor?
3x12=36
2x12=24
1x12=12
0x12=18
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Oh, sorry, I misunderstood (and I think so did Chris); I took it as copy-paste doesn't preserve the PRE tags, I regularly copy-paste an enquirer's code to Visual Studio.
You are right, and I had noticed it earlier, quoting (using the "Quote Selected Text") does quite some processing, including PRE removal. BTW: I've seen it do some clever things, it knows how to deal with half a PRE or CODE tag, etc.
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
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We're returning whatever the browser, in its infinite wisdom, returns as part of the selection.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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There's clearly at least a bit more processing than that since something is rejecting any selections containing text outside the message area itself. Is detecting your own pre tag markup and bashing the pre tags back around it really too much to ask?
Edit: PS somehow while testing the above I managed to post my message only half written. Dunno if that was a code bug or a meatspace error; but I wasn't able to reproduce it.
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for all the authors here on CodeProject.
Bookmarks: 5 points
Downloads: 2 points
Yeah, that's gonna get those articles rolling in. Not.
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Articles are rolling in. It's just that a lot of them kinda suck.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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I don't see any points to me whatsoever. No 5, no 2. Zero! 
Hans Dietrich wrote: for all the authors here on CodeProject.
Bookmarks: 5 points
Downloads: 2 points
I guess it should have been 2-2 or 2-1. 5-2 is a little to high ratio.
2 is still too high based on the way I have seen articles attachment download.
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I'd like to discuss this with you, but frankly I'm just too disgusted right now.
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A member received points for downloading a file 2
The author of a downloadable file receives points when their file is downloaded 5
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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That is a step in the right direction. A passive 5 was and is just right, an active 2 is more than enough (by downloading nothing really gets "organized").
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
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My point is that we haven't decided on any changes and hence have not changed anything, so I'm confused as to why Hans is so upset.
While on the topic of download points, Luc, you stated[^] "If in my view you give insufficient points for posting an article, I will no longer post articles.".
I spent a good deal of the weekend thinking about this statement. The only way I can take this is that you are saying that the only reason you post articles is not to share your knowledge and help others, but to get points. This is making me reevaluate the entire system.
Hans has, similarly, been up in arms. Not about whether or not we reward downloads, but about how much we reward. For 10 years we didn't even count downloads, now suddenly whether we reward 5 or 1 or 0.01 points a download is going to be the difference between top quality articles or permanently disenfranchised authors?
This whole discussion is surreal. I'm going to take my time thinking it through and am spending my (and my team's) time working on improving the article submission and display system, as well as working on Forums v2.0, as a higher priority than this.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris, here are some clarifications that might allow you to better understand things I have said before about the subject.
1.
As far as CP is concerned I could spend my time answering questions, participating in discussions, writing articles, or hanging around in the lounge, or any mix I choose. What I do in those respective subsystems depends on:
- how much I think it helps people out;
- how much I learn from doing it;
- what I prefer doing content-wise;
- how much I like the subsystems;
- and finally to what extent it gets rewarded.
2.
In Q&A versus forums, I don't like Q&A at all as you know, so I do forums only. No problem. Unless most questions go to Q&A and forums die. Or Q&A yields more rep points for the same effort, which it does to some extent, I already signaled that, and you mostly disagreed.
3.
In articles versus forums, I want to do both; however there are several reasons I'm not doing CP articles at the moment:
- once in a while I will compare the rep results, I know my typical articles yield 1000 points each over time; I feel I can earn more rep points in the forums spending the same amount of time. I do anywhere between 1000 and 2000 points a week, that would require me to write an article each week. So maybe my articles aren't good enough, or the points aren't well balanced.
- articles get edited, sooner or later, without explaining why things get changed, so the author, if he wants to know, has to compare versions to find out, then guess why the changes got applied.
- if articles are always moderated (I just don't know, you did say something that sounded like that), that is another dislike as it creates delays and uncertainties. I tend to quickly create something because there is a need, and refer to it right away. That is one reason I started doing articles on my site.
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I keep saying: a reward system always works to some extent, it shifts the action balance towards the reward balance; give 10 times more points to A than to B, while A and B take the same effort, well A will become popular and B will fade out. So if the net result would be the members don't do what you would like them to do, then you should suspect your reward system is wrong.
5.
And then I have some problems with debator points:
A) I have 100K authority and 50K debator; more than half of those debator points should have been authority points (upvotes on technical answers provided in forums), but became debator points due to the default message types you apply. I have started clicking "Answer" almost automatically now, but changing the message type on old messages is impracticable, and does not fix the problem either.
B) I understand and don't mind the existence of debator points, I object to them being added to everything else and the total points being shown as a global number which could be mistaken as a quality indication which it isn't; whoever hovers the forums and sees a popup may get the impression somebody is a technical expert where his real excellence may well be at telling jokes in the lounge.
PS: waw. FireFox 4 crashed on me while composing this. It restarted and everything was still there, in the edit box. Not sure I understand how that works, but I sure do appreciate it.
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
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Luc Pattyn wrote: FireFox 4 crashed on me [...]. Not sure I understand how that works
Buggy code 
Panic, Chaos, Destruction.
My work here is done.
or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often *students*, for heaven's sake. -- (Terry Pratchett, alt.fan.pratchett)
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I know the theory of a failure, I once took a crash course.
It is the full recovery that amazed me.
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
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You have gold Author level which means you can post your articles directly without moderation. You can also set the minimum authority level at which an article can be edited right up to the point of only allowing staff to edit, and then if you wish you can add a comment to your article saying "please don't touch".
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Thanks, I knew that and have used it, except something you wrote recently somewhere made me doubt the gold means no moderation rule.
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
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Frankly, I don't care whether I get 10 points, 1 point or no points. If I have something interesting to write and the time to finish writing it, I'll write it. The points aren't the motivating factor.
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Points are just icing on the cake for me. I spent 2 days this weekend writing an article because I know it will be useful to others, including my coworkers. Seeing the occassional upvote (or other actions that gain reputation points, such as downloads) is sort of like a periodic injection of warm and fuzzy. And annoying as they are, downvotes also serve a purpose... they serve as an excellent motivator to improve (though I'm sure you haven't gotten a downvote in like 800 years).
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Oh I don't know, HWSNBN used one of his sockpuppet accounts to target a couple of my articles.
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I was reading the text on one line, and then read the points from another line.
My apologies.
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