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MehGerbil wrote: The vision died with Jobs - time to move on.
Agreed. Same thing with Wal-Mart, it started going really south when Sam Walton died.
Jeremy Falcon
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Hmmm ... Same thing with Hitler and the Third Reich! 
"State acheived after eating too many chocolate-covered coconut bars - bountiful"
Chris C-B
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Wow, not the kind of thread I'd expect to see Godwin's law unfold!
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You'd have to be some kind of a Nazi to not see it coming.
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I've got beef, chicken, fish and vegetable stock, but no apple. How is it made? I have a large number of apples so it may be a good way to use some up. Should I use cookers or eaters?
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Apple Gin?
CPallini wrote: You cannot argue with agile people so just take the extreme approach and shoot him.
:Smile:
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You need to learn to use the Google.
See: Apple Stock[^]
After you've made a few batches, be sure to sell it.
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When you try to make Apple stock you end up with Apple sauce?
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!
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apple stock is aka apple juice or cider
it's apple season right now, so this is the best time to sell.
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Vision may be gone but it hasn't jumped the shark ... yet.
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MehGerbil wrote: The vision died with Jobs
What vision?
That you need a black sweater to look cool and charge overrated prices? 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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You're discounting the watch so quickly?
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Yeah the watch is a great, you get two products for the price of three.
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Obligatory Dick Tracy[^] reference.
Software Zen: delete this;
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MehGerbil wrote: The vision died with Jobs - time to move on.
When Tim Cook took over as CEO in Aug 2011 AAPL was trading at about $50/share (adjusted due to subsequent splits), did not pay dividends and had about $100 billion cash in the bank. Today AAPL trades at about $100/share, pays a decent dividend and has about $180 billion cash in the bank.
Yep... they're doomed.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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This reminds me of the logic used by every government subsequent to one that actually fixed the problems.
The visionary turns it around and they apply a force, it continues to accelerate and you see the velocity increasing. That force stops and yet the velocity continues. Just a testament to the force that Jobs was and also the right product at the right time. The main selling point of which was multi touch screen, high portability and long battery life. That was what had been missing forever. So they got their hands on the tech (magically from somewhere - ahem US military, who had the SSD and battery tech at least 7 years before) and off they went. None of that is a big surprise.
It's surprising though that people can still take credit for the work of others like that.
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s2bert, this is remarkably well said!
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s2bert wrote: That force stops and yet the velocity continues.
Its silly to think Steve Jobs alone was the only driving force of the most valuable corporation on earth. Was he important? Of course... but there were tons of talented people involved with Apple's metamorphosis.
s2bert wrote: So they got their hands on the tech (magically from somewhere - ahem US military, who had the SSD and battery tech at least 7 years before) and off they went.
It's even more silly to think its all a government plot. Take your tin foil beanie off much? 
s2bert wrote: None of that is a big surprise.
Really? Because it sure took the music industry (iPod/iTunes), phone industry (iPhone, App Store) and PC industry (iPad) by surprise.
s2bert wrote: It's surprising though that people can still take credit for the work of others like that.
 Who do you think is taking credit?
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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I didn't say dump the stock in 2011 at the moment Cook took over.
I'm saying dump it now.
It has peaked - it will all downhill from here.
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MehGerbil wrote: It has peaked - it will all downhill from here.
Right... all because of a rumor of a gold iPad. 
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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He was merely saying that you should sell the shares if you have any.
Their financial situation especially the disgusting cash reserves that the company amassed is a totally different story. They are some investigations ongoing in EU seeking to get back 10-20 bil. from aPple alone. Not a lot but its justice. I don't understand why the Americans are not doing it.
giuchici
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Apple can become the next Microsoft like money machine: they have a outstanding selling product line and loyal (and hefty paying) customers.
And they have one really big thing to come: Apple TV
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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lol Seriously? Apple TV?
Big media is dead. The power is going to move from distribution to the manufacturer.
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If sometimes Apple will sell a TV-box which is as pleasing as their iPhones and iTunes it will crush the industry. But now it looks like Amazon is going ahead. 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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That's got to be on the money. I totally agree, but with one tiny thing, and I use the term advisedly, standing in the way:
The iWatch.
It could happen, though first gen probably not so much.
Other than that, if that fails, short them all the way.
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