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it is... I hold you responsible 
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Ferry Across the Mersey (starring Gerry and the Pacemakers)
It's entirely possible that only old Brit farts like me will understand this!
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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Hi all,
On Friday night I arrived from a work travel of 3 weeks.
On Monday I tried to start my laptop and it looks like it doesn't want to start.
I'll have to unplug the HDD and try to recover my work from there  .
And now the fun part: I need a new laptop...
I want a Lenovo, that's something I've got clear after having fujitsu siemens, IBM (years ago), and some HP, the one that have given me the best result has been a T41p from IBM.
So now... what would you choose between:
A)
Lenovo ThinkPad T440s 20AQ Ultrabook
Core i7 4600U / 2.1 GHz.
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit / Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit.
12 GB RAM.
512 GB SSD.
No DVD nor optic drive.
14" 1920 x 1080 ( Full HD ).
Intel HD Graphics 4400.
802.11ac.
4G.
B)
Lenovo ThinkPad T450s 20BX Ultrabook
Core i7 5600U / 2.6 GHz.
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit / Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit.
8 GB RAM.
256 GB SSD TCG Opal Encryption 2.
No DVD nor optic drive.
14" 1920 x 1080 ( Full HD ).
Intel HD Graphics 5500.
802.11ac.
4G.
I can change the RAM amount if needed, any other change must be done separately by buying the component myself.
Which one would you choose?
My main tasks will be developing software using Visual Studio, different editors and using some virtual machines to develop for older systems.
What I've seen:
- the touchpad on the 450 seems better (as it has physical buttons on top for the mini joystick to work with).
- the processor in the 450 is better.
- I'm worried about the HDD space, but I guess I could go everywhere with a small external hdd if needed (and of course a small optical drive even I don't remember the last time I've used one)...
- the hdd on the 450 seems to allow encryption while the one in the 440 not.
Given all this... would you choose the 450 adding more RAM to it?
Thank you in advance! 
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Why are they so cheap with the RAM? I will not use anything under 16 GB anymore. Here at work I may already get into problems with 8 GB when I open up two instances of Visual Studio and debug on both at once.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
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I can increase the RAM amount, no issues here.
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Good. You can never have enough memory. take all you can get.
And this is one of my most important points: A good GPU. I love programming on the GPU too much and always see to it that I have a good one in my computers. If you are not interested in such things, the Intel graphics will do.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
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I don't need a better GPU, I'm mostly programming against robots, software based CNC and PLC...
And moreover do you remember that I do have a brother in law? just joking here... I don't plan to play neither to start developing 3D nor using the GPU processors to make extensive and parallel calculations...
Thank you for your recommendations!
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Graphics were my first love, back when my first computer had great black and white graphics at 64*32 or 64*64 pixel 
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
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Faster processor and an SSD for the system?
No contest.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Both of them have SSD, the 440 512GB and the 450 256GB...
But yes, the 450 has a better CPU.
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I've gotta change my reading glasses. I didn't see the SSD on the 440.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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No worries!
At my first search on the shop list I did not even saw both computers there...
Both of them have more or less the same specs the only difference in favor of the 440 is the HDD... I think I'll try to go for the 450 (now it's time to see if they have it in stock or not...).
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I would take a look at the noise emission. If for some reason the 450 is louder even in idle mode I'd take the 440, otherwise the 450 with more RAM.
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Can't get that information on their website... 
So probably I'll go for the 450 with more RAM even it has less HDD...
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The difference in the specs are insignificant. So: Find a shop and try the keyboards maybe? Unless you are like me and prefer external keyboards. Pick the one which looks best on the coffee table? No seriously, you can just try the mechanical touch and feel of the things.
Life is too shor
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That's what I thought so I've decided to come here and ask...
Given the fact the touchpad looks better in the 450 (it has physical buttons) I'll try to get that one... if that is not possible, then I'll go for the 440...
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The 450.
The harddrive and memory can be upgraded, the rest alas not.
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That's right...
Yes, I do think I'll try to get this one.
Even none of them has the best set of processors available... those are the ones available and I do think it will be enough for now.
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Between a faster CPU and more RAM, these days, I'll go with more RAM.
So, given that you can/will upgrade it yourself, then IMO it becomes a matter of which supports the most.
Even if you only intend to get 16GB now, if one of them supports, say, 32GB and the other doesn't, then I'd go with the one that can take it.
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Both can reach only 16GB, which for my job I think it will be enough, by now... I've been living with 6GB and 2GB in my last computers... so I think jumping to 12 will be a great improvement... 
And who knows if in a near future I will be able to add another 4GB...
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I'll just say that no amount of RAM seems to large once you start using virtual machines. 
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Yes, of course... I don't use virtual machines really often, only to test things: web site maintenance when is needed (plenty of browsers installed, remote support to our customers, and to test some specific things when my computer must be free of problems...).
But that's a really clear reason to get more RAM...
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Assuming the specs are OK (which for both of those, I think they are) I think it is much more important to get your hands on one, if at all possible, and see how you like the keyboard, touchpad, and screen IRL
PooperPig - Coming Soon
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I can't do it... I'm buying them directly at a major importer and I can only buy them by Internet...
But as far as I've seen I'll have a problem that I got also when going from IBM to HP... the FN and the Ctrl Key are switched in both brands and this will imply a small adaptation...
Apart of that as my last laptop has been working for a lot of years I'll notice a change whichever I get so I'm more than happy to spend some time re-learning to use the keyboard... 
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