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My apologies, I think I may have confused you.
I forgot that the word desktop has 2 meanings in English.
I was referring to the physical device, so the PC.
But I guess the rule applies to both, it's never a good idea to keep anything on the (software) desktop, I just take it a step further by transferring it to another physical device (NAS).
Tom
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Tom Deketelaere wrote: I was referring to the physical device, so the PC.
So was I (I only confuse easily if picks and wheelbarrows are involved); I store everything that is not required by the operating system and programs on remote storage.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: So was I
Ah so no confusion then 
Mark_Wallace wrote: picks and wheelbarrows
No idea what that reference is about, so it confused me, so I guess you'r not the only one
I do think that we are a minority when it comes to not saving anything on the desktop (software or hardware).
Even among some of my colleagues there is the tendency to store everything on the desktop (software), even on servers. It pisses me off but...
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Tom Deketelaere wrote: Mark_Wallace wrote: picks and wheelbarrows
No idea what that reference is about
It's Paddy's Day!
Shame on you!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Shame on you!
Sorry 
In my defense, I'v been looking at chrome loading wheel for the last 2 hours, it's doing some intensive stuff.
So brain activity is at an all time low at the moment 
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Mark_Wallace wrote: all the compression does is take up more flops
Really? Microsoft is using a compression-algo that relies on floating point calcs.
Somehow, I strongly doubt that.
I don't have a total of 3TB of space, keep everything I want quickly on my desktop, have avoided use of compressed file-systems since Superstor was about and haven't seen a disk-crash in nearly 25 years. (It was a Seagate)
Methinks thou dost protest too much.
But I'd be happy to help kill Metro, the Ribbon and reinstate the Start Menu.... provided I get some help to retain Aero.
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enhzflep wrote: Microsoft is using a compression-algo that relies on floating point calcs.
Somehow, I strongly doubt that.
Good point.
It probably follows their fixation with baby-blocks.
enhzflep wrote: have avoided use of compressed file-systems since Superstor was about and haven't seen a disk-crash in nearly 25 years.
Um, you're kinda adding to/proving my point, there.
enhzflep wrote: Methinks thou dost protest too much.
You say that after proving my point?
And anyway, if the *Next* *Big* *Thing* from MS is saving disc space that we could have used 20 years ago (by using compression and by crippling tools that have saved a lot of computers, in recent history) but which is pointless now, I still say they're missing the mark.
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I was just thinking 10 minutes ago I may have misread your statement on disk-compression, then 5 mins ago I got notification of a reply. Oh well, we can't lose 'em all.
Indeed, I concede my reading comprehension skills are not what they will be after some sleep and concur, MS haven't hit any of the marks I consider important.
With such a decline in the aesthetic qualities of windows and a similar direction of 'progress' in so many other areas, I'm thinking more and more that Wine or VirtualBox/VMWare under a flavour of Linux will be how my next machine is setup. For years I only kept a primary install of Windows for Office, Win 32/64 coding and gaming, though even these can be done without a full-calorie windows these days.
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I don't compress my disks at all, but I agree with your point.
Microsoft seem lost at the moment (have done since Windows 8/Surface/Windows Phone). I still get annoyed that the environment variables window *STILL* isn't resizable after all these years!
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modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: I still get annoyed that the environment variables window *STILL* isn't resizable after all these years!
Yet another of those little things that annoy me, but I can never remember, when someone asks "What have they done wrong?"
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How to make a Start Menu for Win 8 without installing too much cr@p:
0. Get this[^].
1. Create a new folder on your desktop.
2. Drop shortcuts to whichever %allusers%/start menu/ and %you%/start menu/ directories you like in the new directory.
3. Click and hold the left mouse button on the new folder.
4. Look[^] what you get!
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And to think I wasted £1.50 on Start8! 
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modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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I've had KO Approach for a few years. It's a very handy tool, with standard features that just lent it to "replacing" the Start Menu.
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You just put me off Win 10 for life! 
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Don't worry.
By Win 37, some other company will have come up with an OS that doesn't fly off in ridiculous, useless directions, and Windows users will just troll around the Internet like apple and linux users do now.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Hands up anyone who has less than three terabytes storage
On some critical and crazy expensive servers, no we don't have 3+TB. Server quality drives are expensive. We're switching to SSD storage, but that too is expensive. We actually run pretty tight with storage, using only what we need.
For my personal use I have 1Tb on my home machine, 128Gb on my work laptop (It's dual boot MacOs/Win7, so 128 each). The ability to save space on the drive makes my life better.
And relax: Windows 10 will Make It All Better. All of it. You'll wonder how you ever survived without it. Your computer will run better, your screen will appear brighter, the air will even smell fresher. Small bunnies will hop among the flowers and green grass sprouting around you as you install it. While using Windows 10 you will never, ever get rained on.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: While using Windows 10 you will never, ever get rained on.
Sounds like the rain might be on to something
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If they really wanted to solve the problem how about stop downloading ever DLL / EXE ever published though windows updates and only retain the ones used by the actual OS? It's pretty bad that the cache directories are larger in size than rest of what's on disk.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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#SupportHeForShe If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Only 2 things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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WTF does that mean?
Clarification needed.
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It means I don't agree with your overal sentiment
#SupportHeForShe If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Only 2 things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Then say "I don't agree with your overall sentiment", f***wit.
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er, no
#SupportHeForShe If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Only 2 things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Hands up anyone who has less than three terabytes storage.
The space thing is more about phones and other mobile devices and also the so-called "Internet of Things" (IoT). So, their efforts are and will be appreciated.
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You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Only 2 things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Cobblers.
It is about Windows 10, which will be pre-installed on PCs and laptops.
This is the text from the article:
"With current builds, Windows can efficiently compress system files. That gives back approximately 1.5GB of storage for 32-bit and 2.6GB of storage for 64-bit Windows. Phones will also be able to use this same efficient compression algorithm and likewise have capacity savings with Windows 10.
"We are also redesigning Windows’ Refresh and Reset functionalities to no longer use a separate recovery image (often preinstalled by manufacturers today) in order to bring Windows devices back to a pristine state. This reduces Windows’ storage footprint further as the recovery image on typical devices can range in size from 4GB to 12GB, depending on the make and model. Phones already have a storage-optimized recovery solution, so, unlike compression, this enhancement is only for tablets, laptops, and desktops."
It's all about the PC, with a couple of asides about phones -- in fact, the "refresh and reset", as they've chosen to rename it, has nothing to do with phones at all.
Get your facts right, before acting all superior.
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