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Context: I was gobsmacked by the language in the recent announcement by MS of their terminating support for what (in my perceptions) are relatively recent .NET FrameWork versions, as reported here on Insider News: [^].Quote: You can run those applications on a later .NET Framework version without targeting a new version. .NET Framework 4.5.2 and higher versions have higher compatibility, provided by a newer feature called "quirking". Quirking is a pattern in which a .NET Framework version maintains the semantics of earlier versions, while including updated implementations. The .NET runtime knows which of these semantics or quirks to execute depending on the .NET Framework version that the application targets.
Okay, I won't worry then, knowing Microsoft has got us"quirked:" never mind the vast confusion for end-users as they find their apps don't work with some system upgrade, or update; never mind the migraines of countless front-line-support-peons deluged with angry e-mails; never mind the developers coming down with acid-reflux, program managers one step closer to suicide. It's all for the better !
I wonder why this obvious improvement for everyone reminds me of the explanation (in Voltaire's Candide) by Dr. Pangloss to Candide of the beneficial aspects of his contracting syphilis:Quote: "Not at all," replied this great man, "it was a thing unavoidable, a necessary ingredient in the best of worlds; for if Columbus had not in an island of America caught this disease, which contaminates the source of life, frequently even hinders generation, and which is evidently opposed to the great end of nature, we should have neither chocolate nor cochineal."(4.16)
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.
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I have quirk for quotations from Candide - one of the books I did for French Lit. 'A' level.
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MS have always used the term "quirk" to describe the process of providing backwards compatibility. IE, for example, has a "quirks mode" where it can mimic the rendering engines of previous versions.
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They're not the only ones. Borland, of Turbo Pascal fame, used to have a "quirks" mode in their assembler to provide compatibility with MS Macro Assembler.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Microsoft always was a little quirky...
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BillWoodruff wrote: as they find their apps don't work with some system upgrade, or update
But they won't! That's the whole point. Quirking means you don't have to re-target an old build in order to get it to work on a new framework. I really can't see what's got you all fired up!
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Member 9082365 wrote: I really can't see what's got you all fired up!
Well, that's a good thing !
As to your faith that "quirking" means deliverance from the woes and tribulations that oft beset us as we eke out our daily cupcake doing dentistry on dinosaurs to get code to work; well, as much as I admire the fact you have that faith, too many years of experience force me to forego it.
cheers, Bill
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.
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If it was done under the old leadership, I would have applauded the news; the "quircks" that were solved to get everything compatible with Win95 are impressive, including the workarounds in Windows to ensure that some old games that used undocumented features (and should simply break as the manufacturer 'intended') would still work.
Alas, Microsoft has changed, and what worked in the past, may not work in the future.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: what worked in the past, may not work in the future.
 That is always the case, regardless of who's "leading".
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
That is always the case
Dunno, I'd like to think that one plus one will equal two, even in fourhundred years
Unless you are talking about rabbits, than one plus one equals many.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
The point of quirks is that your code targeting old frameworks will just work on the new (which has already always been the case, just without the quirks). So, I don't see how that's bad nor how that's going to cause suicides since it should make people's lives easier. Of course, if what is wanted is to have the fixes in the new framework, one can always update the exe.config file to say it's compatible with the newer framework.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Raymond Chen's book The Old New Thing, a collection of entries from the blog of the same name (https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/[^] tells a lot of stories about quirks and backwards compatibility problems that are so crazy that you sometimes laugh out loud.
Highly recommended. (It helps to be a seasoned programmer to see the humour of some of the stories, but I guess that holds true for most readers of this forum.)
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How is a 'quirk' different than an 'interface'?
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A "quirk" is a behavior of a certain version of a framework, that was wrong and was fixed in a later version, but that someone might have depended on it doing the wrong thing. The new framework (let's call it "v5.1.6") says "hey, he's really asking for v5.1.3, so I'll continue to do the v5.1.3 set of wrong things". If you want it to stop doing those wrong things, you'll have to recompile for the new version.
Truth,
James
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Are you suggesting Microsoft Replaced DLL Hell with Framework Hell, and simply added a Doorman to determine which Framework Hell you belong in?
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Message Closed
-- modified 10-Dec-15 7:35am.
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This[^], my friend is the place to ask programming related questions.
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Message Closed
-- modified 10-Dec-15 7:35am.
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Another way to reach the right place for asking your programming related questions, is to click on the bold red link on top of this page.
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Hypothesis...
- Farmers kill way more chickens than the market normally consumes
- Low prices on chicken; that becomes the preferred food
- Fewer chickens; Fewer eggs
- Price of eggs goes up 2x and 3x
Just exactly what IS going on with that market ?
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Nice hypothesis, but wrong.
The best layers are not necessarily the best meat - too much of their energy goes into producing eggs. I am certain that farmers have optimized one line for egg-laying, another line for chicken meat. They do it with cows (meat vs. milk), why not with chickens?
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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