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BillWoodruff wrote: as they find their apps don't work with some system upgrade, or update
But they won't! That's the whole point. Quirking means you don't have to re-target an old build in order to get it to work on a new framework. I really can't see what's got you all fired up!
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Member 9082365 wrote: I really can't see what's got you all fired up!
Well, that's a good thing !
As to your faith that "quirking" means deliverance from the woes and tribulations that oft beset us as we eke out our daily cupcake doing dentistry on dinosaurs to get code to work; well, as much as I admire the fact you have that faith, too many years of experience force me to forego it.
cheers, Bill
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.
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If it was done under the old leadership, I would have applauded the news; the "quircks" that were solved to get everything compatible with Win95 are impressive, including the workarounds in Windows to ensure that some old games that used undocumented features (and should simply break as the manufacturer 'intended') would still work.
Alas, Microsoft has changed, and what worked in the past, may not work in the future.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: what worked in the past, may not work in the future.
 That is always the case, regardless of who's "leading".
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
That is always the case
Dunno, I'd like to think that one plus one will equal two, even in fourhundred years
Unless you are talking about rabbits, than one plus one equals many.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
The point of quirks is that your code targeting old frameworks will just work on the new (which has already always been the case, just without the quirks). So, I don't see how that's bad nor how that's going to cause suicides since it should make people's lives easier. Of course, if what is wanted is to have the fixes in the new framework, one can always update the exe.config file to say it's compatible with the newer framework.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Raymond Chen's book The Old New Thing, a collection of entries from the blog of the same name (https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/[^] tells a lot of stories about quirks and backwards compatibility problems that are so crazy that you sometimes laugh out loud.
Highly recommended. (It helps to be a seasoned programmer to see the humour of some of the stories, but I guess that holds true for most readers of this forum.)
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How is a 'quirk' different than an 'interface'?
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A "quirk" is a behavior of a certain version of a framework, that was wrong and was fixed in a later version, but that someone might have depended on it doing the wrong thing. The new framework (let's call it "v5.1.6") says "hey, he's really asking for v5.1.3, so I'll continue to do the v5.1.3 set of wrong things". If you want it to stop doing those wrong things, you'll have to recompile for the new version.
Truth,
James
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Are you suggesting Microsoft Replaced DLL Hell with Framework Hell, and simply added a Doorman to determine which Framework Hell you belong in?
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Message Closed
-- modified 10-Dec-15 7:35am.
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This[^], my friend is the place to ask programming related questions.
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Message Closed
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Another way to reach the right place for asking your programming related questions, is to click on the bold red link on top of this page.
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Hypothesis...
- Farmers kill way more chickens than the market normally consumes
- Low prices on chicken; that becomes the preferred food
- Fewer chickens; Fewer eggs
- Price of eggs goes up 2x and 3x
Just exactly what IS going on with that market ?
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Nice hypothesis, but wrong.
The best layers are not necessarily the best meat - too much of their energy goes into producing eggs. I am certain that farmers have optimized one line for egg-laying, another line for chicken meat. They do it with cows (meat vs. milk), why not with chickens?
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
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Correct, they are totally different types of chickens. Broilers, aka meat birds, have been bred to grow fast with large breasts. I raise mine for 29 to 39 days before they are ready for market. They range in live weight from 1.75 kg to 2.75 kg, depending on what the target market is.
Layers, aka egg birds, which I have no hands on experience with, are bred to maximize egg production. They are a smaller chicken than broilers. If they were the same as broilers they would have a hard time physically laying eggs.
Layers do end up being used for meat after their laying days are done, but they are a lot older, 1.5 to 2 years, so the meat would be a lot tougher and stringy. They usually end up in either chicken soup or more commonly in pet foods.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
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PJ Arends wrote: Broilers, aka meat birds, have been bred to grow fast with large breasts
A bit like Playboy Bunnies.
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One of my layers was five years old and still laying when I had to give her away (I was working away from home so I could not look after her and her friends).
And in case anyone was wondering ... the chickens came first and then the eggs.
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PJ Arends wrote: Layers do end up being used for meat after their laying days are done, but they are a lot older, 1.5 to 2 years, so the meat would be a lot tougher and stringy. They usually end up in either chicken soup or more commonly in pet foods.
It really depends on the breed. Some stop laying after 6 months. The biggest requirement for egg layers is volume (1 per day is ideal) and minimal feed per egg. Rhode Island Reds meet this requirement. They are stringy. Usually layers become "stew meat" when they stop making eggs.
The requirements for a meat bird are how fat they can get in a minimal time span. The "double breasted" chickens they engineered won't even leave the feed tray. Of course, if they did, they are too fat and could break their own legs walking... not natural, whatever the label says.
There are a few birds, like the Delaware chickens that are a nice hybrid. They forage for themselves - thus requiring less feed... and they are a bit bigger than the reds, and are better for meat. However, they don't lay the ideal egg per day. Of course, that number changes highly based on protein requirements - more protein is needed to keep up egg production in the winter, as it is harder for them to maintain body temperature. Goodness... I know far too much about this and will stop now. I've never even owned my own birds.
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You are forgetting the bird flu outbreak a while back. Millions of birds put down. The price will come down eventually.... Then again, you could always build yourself a chicken house and do it yourself. Seems to be the rage these days.
sent from dang near the chicken capital of the US... or at least I thought it was until I googled it.
Charlie Gilley
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“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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