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OriginalGriff wrote: I'm not going to quibble over 40GB!
Had to laugh, I remember getting excited when I upgraded my 5mb drive to 20mb. true it was in the dark ages!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: when I upgraded my 5mb drive to 20mb. true it was in the dark ages!
And I thought it was bad my first HD was 30Mb (and attached to an Atari ST).
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You forgot
6 is ugly as heck compared with Win7
7 is still schizophrenic and doesn't feel "together" at all.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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The one thing I find "ugly" about 10, is that window borders are now only one pixel wide. But I find that setting a contrasting accent color makes the borders very visible. Other than that, what do you find ugly about 10? My desktop is as colorful as ever. 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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I've got coloured titles now, which helps, but compared to Win 7 it's very flat and dull - no transparency at all. And the "new" monochrome icons and suchlike look like they were thrown together by a dev as a placeholder before the art department came up with the real ones...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I suppose this is in line with user interfaces as dictated by Microsoft for "productivity apps". Yes, I must confess, their guidelines tend to be somewhat bland. 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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That's why I upgraded to Windows 9.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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(disclaimer, my PC is not my primary machine, only a gaming machine; I boot it up, log in, go prepare dinner and after that, I play).
1 and 2 : (anecdotal) My experience is that Win10 loads up faster (to login screen), after that it continues to load up stuff slowly, but I think it is going in the right direction; boot time should be fast; secondary system can take up more time for all I care. What about waking it up from sleeping ? is is faster than win7/8?
- I don't really care about those on my PC (as much as I would on a portable device where storage is a lot more limited)
- Don't know about that; I only use Microsoft Security Essentials stuff.
- That's good, they are working on it and keeping things under control; I'd be pissed if they only released patches every couple of months.
Personally, I always thought Win8 was a botched job (bad understanding of the portable devices vs. desktop computers)
I'd rather be phishing!
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I have 2 laptops; an old and a new. The new one came with W10 and an SSD and appears to load pretty quickly. The older machine now has W10 on it and also appears to load reasonably quickly. So far no complaints; yes, there are some oddities but it does what I need it to do.
The junk apps are a tad annoying - I will never use an Xbox so will spend some time figuring out how to uninstall that app. It is annoying that it and others are imposed on you.
Oh, it does seem to forget settings when you have to reboot.
Con job? If you don't like it use Linux or write your own!
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: I will never use an Xbox so will spend some time figuring out how to uninstall that app.
Powershell:
Get-AppxPackage *xboxapp* | Remove-AppxPackage
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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I simply disabled the Xbox services. Seems to work. 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Thanks. Didn't work the first time so I got a list of all the installed apps and then uninstalled anything with xbox.
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And how much cash did MS 'con' you out of for Windows 10?
Exactly!!!!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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Wait for it, subscription service starts next year!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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1. I haven't measured the boot times, but on modern hardware (SSD drive) both Win7 and Win10 boot quickly enough - I turn on the computer before I sit down, and by the time I've made myself comfortable the login screen is displayed.
2. As long as the foreground applications (and their dependencies) have priority, why should I care what the O/S is doing in the background?
3. Agreed. However, methods to remove these applications exist (one given in this message tree).
4. More telemetry - definitely. Whether that translates into security breaches remains to be seen. OTOH, what is Microsoft doing that Apple and Google haven't done for years?
5. I recently reinstalled Win7 Service Pack 1 on a PC. Over 140 updates were available via Windows Update, which translates into more than 1 update/month. What's your point?
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Member 11720681 wrote: 1 has a much longer boot than 7/8.1
Not here it isn't, but my anecdotes aren't any less valid than yours.
Member 11720681 wrote: 2 has a "phase2 boot" (after the desktop displays it continues to spin the hard drive to complete the boot process)
This bothers you?
Member 11720681 wrote: 3 is loaded with "junk" apps that can't be uninstalled (e.g. OneNote)
I happen to use OneNote. If you're going to complain about junk software, look no further than the Metro apps (or whatever they're called this week)
Member 11720681 wrote: 4 is no more secure than Win7/8.1
What metric do you use to quantify that?
Member 11720681 wrote: 5 requires more 'updates' per month than 7/8.1
I don't know about you, but I tend to get one big fat cumulative update for Windows 10 each Patch Tuesday rather than 7/8's flood of smaller ones which, cumulatively, take longer to install.
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I never really had a problem with Vista, and so far, am having no very few problems with 10...maybe I'm just lucky? Since I got 10 on a clean SSD, boot time is usually less than 10 seconds.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Also, don't forget to disable "telemetrics and data collection" and to check periodically to make sure the updates haven't re-enabled them.
QRZ? de WAØTTN
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..tells the bubble-popup to the lower right of my screen.
Again? Wasn't there an Update already only 3 weeks ago or so?
And why is it installed on my system, anyway?
I can't remember.
I dismiss the bubble. I go to Programs and Features and uninstall Java 8 Update 71.
3 billion minus 1.
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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Windows updated at the weekend, hang on didn't it update like last week...
Skype updated at the weekend, hang on didn't it update like last week...
It's not just Java this is the new normal and in many ways it is better. Small incremental changes released on a regular basis.
Small but often; as I said to the wife.
veni bibi saltavi
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That kind of depends whether the update is intrusive or not. If it requires shutting down the application and logging in again, or worse a system shutdown, I'm not so sure I like small, but often.
most annoying updates:
Pdf Creator, right when you actually want to use it, it asks you to update.
Skype -> login, update, login again
iTunes, but everything is wrong with iTunes
Java update, because you need to manually remove the other versions (else you end up with a lot of java versions/updates)
And in my opinion the updates for Windows 10. It is not intrusive as a process, but it has unwanted side effects
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V. wrote: Pdf Creator, right when you actually want to use it, it asks you to update.
I switched updates frequency to Never in the options menu and since then no popups asking to update it...
In all the other cases (I don't know about iTunes as I don't use it) I think you are doomed...
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No update will make it run any faster. 
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Unless you are doing Android Apps or are supporting legacy programs that require it there is no need to install it.
Even though you uninstall it, it is still an attack vector because they leave just enough behind to alow some things work. It's a pain to clean by hand. Registry keys and a file in system 32.
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ledtech3 wrote: Even though you uninstall it, it is still an attack vector because they leave just enough behind to alow some things work.
Thank you for the info!
I ran a tool (JavaRa) that removed the registry keys but apparently (wasn't mentioned in its log file) it didn't remove that system32 file. Can you tell me which one it is?
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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