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You'll be surprised how many bad applications you can find in big corporations or government agencies. Once they purchase the application they must use it forever, and that is the main reason why you can see more then one computer per desk. For certain (stupid) tasks they need an old application that can work on Windows XP only. In addition, in huge systems the application division is separated from the admin-security division so the admins have no clue how the new OS would impact the old applications. And never forget this, banks and government agencies can't stop working! Maybe it sounds ridiculous but it is a common practice to buy a new computer with a new OS and retain the old computer with the old OS (for old applications). Changing OS on live computer is almost never an option in huge systems.
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I'll get Windows 10 when I get a new machine; I run a business; I don't need a new machine right now; when I do, I'll network it: XP; Vista; Windows 8; Windows 7 Virtual; IOS; Android; Xbox(es); PlayStation(s); etc.
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Legacy apps don't last forever, and microsoft has no real incentive to help out those companies who don't want to upgrade. After all, legacy companies already have their copies of windows and are attempting not to purchase and upgrade.
In the modern world of web apps, it is easier to let desktops be dumb, concentrating attention on a relatively few servers to upgrade. Legacy apps are being flushed from the ecosystem gradually. Microsoft is just front-running this trend.
Getting customers onto a subscription-based O/S will be a gold mine for microsoft.
I hate to say it, but it looks like they know what they're doing.
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I want to create 34 ounces of the hottest water I can make; i.e., 212 degrees F.
I want to do this in the microwave.
Is there a real live way to estimate the amount of water to put into the bowl before I put it into the microwave ?
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Why 34 ounces? And what is the point?
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34 fl oz in Americanese = 1 liter in the rest of the world.
Sounds more natural that way, nothing special about the number.
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Yes, that is the pedantic answer. I'm just curious as to the purpose of doing it What is the end goal?
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: Why 34 ounces? And what is the point?
Approximately 443 days ago, I was trying to figure out a formula. That quest is detailed in this thread here[^]
Through trial and error, I came up with workable quantities for the dish washing liquid and the water.
My foaming hand soap dispensers hold 10 fluid ounces each.
It so happens that when I make the stuff, it can keep for weeks at room temperature in a capped jar.
It is therefore more efficient to make a batch of the stuff all at once and refill from the reservoir.
I chose a plastic mayonnaise container for the reservoir. These formerly quart containers have now been reduced to 30 ounces. (The moment one of those companies goes back to a full quart, I am buying even if it costs twenty percent more; another topic)
So anyway, that gives me...
- 10 ounces in the bathroom soap dispenser
- 10 ounces in the kitchen soap dispenser
- 30 ounces in the mayonnaise jar under the counter for refills
Or 50 ounces total
Now, it so happens that the ratio of dish washing liquid to water ranged between 2-to-1 and 3-to-1, with the higher concentration typically producing the best foam.
So that would be sixteen and two-thirds ounces of liquid and thirty three and one third ounces of water.
Since that is the max concentration I need, and lower levels had been shown to be less than optimal but still effective, I decided that I would be willing to allow a variance of one third of an ounce, and mix the stuff as 16 and 34 ounces.
This gave me a mixture which was 99.33 percent as good as the perfect two to one ratio. I considered that acceptable. I eschew perfectionism which I consider to be a character flaw.
Okay now, 16 ounces plus 34 ounces equals 50 ounces.
Therefore, I seek to get the exact quantity of water to produce the desired result.
This time I came up short about 3 or 4 ounces. Next time I'll just boil a few more ounces, and whatever doesn't fit into the mayonnaise jar can go into the spray bottle, as it makes a half-way okay surface cleaner.
That way I can eschew perfectionism.
That is, until I figure out the exact quantity to make the stuff add up to precisely 50 ounces; bwahahaha 
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Oh how I wish I hadn't asked... 
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Why not heat then measure?
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I assume you mean fluid ounces. So, 34 ounces is 4 1/4 cups. If you've a 1 cup measuring cup, then it should be easy.
Actually, you can create water that is hotter than 212°F in the microwave. It can become superheated. So before heating it, put a straw or something in it in order to avoid a boiling splashover.
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Superheating is a good point.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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A fluid ounce of water weighs 1oz. Thus if you have kitchen scales put your container on it ( I would choose an insulating container such as polystyrene ) and zero the scales. Then slowly pour in water until you have 34 oz (if the scales are metric just do the conversion).
Now put the container in the microwave and start heating it (on high) for periods of maybe 2 minutes. The steps allow convection to circulate the water to achieve even temperature. Carefully observe. As the water gets hotter you can reduce this interval. When the water just starts to boil you are at boiling point (212F). In this way you will avoid superheating the water. Superheating and microwave ovens[^]
Whatever you need the water for it is unlikely to still be at 212F when you actually use it. This is the real world remember.
All the above applies to pure water at sea level.
Impurities in the water will raise the boiling point (tap water ain't pure) and rising above sea level will lower the boiling point.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
modified 9-Jul-16 1:23am.
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Weigh it.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Are you trying to estimate how much you will lose to evaporation?  We can't help with that.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Are you trying to estimate how much you will lose to evaporation? We can't help with that
Basically yes.
I start with "X" times 34 ounces, and remove the bowl from the microwave with exactly 34 ounces.
Well, that's what I want to do.
My first total guess left me about 3 or 4 ounces short.
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C-P-User-3 wrote: is there a real live way to estimate the amount of water to put into the bowl before I put it into the microwave ?
No.
Put 40 oz of water in the microwave and set the machine on High. When it boils, remove the container and pour off 34 ounces. Add 1 packet of lime Jello and 8 oz of tequila; refrigerate and consume according to your personal compression ratio. After that, you're on your own, and probably having a much better time than I am on this Saturday night.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Smirk.
 
That was basically my approach, probably not the exact numbers.
Anyway, I got close but not perfect.
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If you use an Android phone or iPhone, which one is it?
(No need to reply if you don't use one of these.)
Thanks,
/ravi
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5 Android phones
#SupportHeForShe
Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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17 iPhones, a cricket bat and a mongoose.
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You almost have the makings of an iMac!
#SupportHeForShe
Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Dude. You injected the Kool-Aid™.
Software Zen: delete this;
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IPhone. Company supplied. Personally I'm pretty neutral on the subject.
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