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What is your opinion of the security of voting online or with an electronic voting device with regards to hacking and/or manipulating the results?
BTW, this would have made a great poll question this week.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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"On the Internet nobody knows that you are a dog" 'Nuff said.
As for electronic voting devices there's too much opacity with a very restricted number of attendible witnesses, plus high chances of glitches and faults - also, knowing the rationales used to choose contractors, I doubt both of the very competence of the contractors and of their honesty.
Costly as it may be, pen on paper is readily accessible and inspectionable by anyone who can read.
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Uncertain source: To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer.
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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that is me
To err is human to really mess up you need a computer
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Take a look at what happened with our census when they decided to make it an online event a couple of months ago. Granted, they had given the contract to Big Blue, which has been a mistake made by government a couple of times now, but it shows that nothing still is airtight.
More advances in technology are needed before going down that path, I think. It will happen, but we're not quite there yet.
The census stuff-up has cost taxpayers $30 million | Business Insider[^]
Cheers,
Mick
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It doesn't matter how often or hard you fall on your arse, eventually you'll roll over and land on your feet.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
BTW, this would have made a great poll question this week.
Especially if the poll were hacked.    :insane cackle:
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: with regards to hacking and/or manipulating the results?
A great career opportunity!
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DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Sincerely, I don't think so... Italian (and Spanish) people are quite renowned for being crafty entrepreneurs - IIRC Columbo was an Italian man on Spanish ships (and loaned gold).
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Not true. According to IMDB regarding Columbo:
Los Angeles homicide detective Lieutenant Columbo uses his humble ways and ingenuous demeanor to winkle out even the most well-concealed of crimes.
Columbo (TV Series 1971–2003) - IMDb[^]
Please refrain from revisionist history
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And drove a French car IIRC
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Y2K all over again!
Laissez les bon temps rrrrroulez!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I once read an article about this, not too long ago (summer I think).
Hacking a system would probably be feasible, however, the sheer amount of the necessary work to do so, so that it would actually would make a difference was so high it would probably be easier to take another route to rig the elections. They gave an example in the article, but I forgot what it was.
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V. wrote: it would probably be easier to take another route to rig the elections
You're not referring to big guys with shaved heads and baseball bats named "Vinnie", are you?
Cheers,
Mick
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It doesn't matter how often or hard you fall on your arse, eventually you'll roll over and land on your feet.
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nope
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V. wrote: They gave an example in the article, but I forgot what it was.
Shooting both candidates?
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Well, then one should fear more the one who wishes the citizen to be disarmed!
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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In this case... that would not be a problem, that would be the solution
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Campaign funds raised by Trump (who's a billionaire, anyway) $250,000,000+
Campaign funds raised by Clinton (who's a millionaire, anyway) $500,000,000+
Where there's a wage packet, there's a way.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I am a representative on a very local scale, but when I see the little manipulations that are done with paper voting, I would better trust a machine.
Even if something is hacked or manipulated, there will somehow always be evidence that something happened, which is not the case with the paper stuff.
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Evidence accessible to whom? To the people who ar so ignorant about science to consciously avoid vaccinations or those so clueless to fall into every scam ever published?
People are NOT technically competent and of the so-called technically competent only a fraction of them are for real and honest enough to not be easily buyable form one party or the other.
Who is able to detect a change in a executable if suche executable is promptly replaced with the original one? It's not as if filesystems and OS are bulletproof against a simple substitution of date/time, especially if physical access to the machine is possible.
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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I'm a developer for E-Counting applications. Not E-Voting, mind you. The difference is that we are counting the paper using scanners (of course it needs to be sighted after unpacking in order to spot errors the scanner can't handle it self, but those are edge cases). Long story short, I believe in E-Counting (saves the govt. a ton of money to burn somewhere else) but not in E-Voting (obvious security reasons, but also for reasons that nobody can tell whether my vote is anonymous or not - Apart from the system manufacturer, if they're really telling the truth).
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As a programmer, voting machines are simple machines and should/could be easily protected.
As a citizen, I don't care about voting machine, I tend to be a traditionalist when it comes to voting; pen/pencil, paper, box.
I'd rather be phishing!
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When I figure out how to tamper with E-voting, I certainly will not reveal that here.
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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