Bugs and Suggestions

Jörgen Andersson9-Oct-18 19:57

9-Oct-18 19:57

Just thinking loud here, but why not both?
"Quality votes" on categories but allow anyone to giva a general vote. Members with sufficient rep gets a "popup" with the possibility to give categorical votes.

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Chris Maunder10-Oct-18 6:42

10-Oct-18 6:42

When I was young and impetuous this is exactly what I would have done, however doing so merely increases the complexity of the system for debatable returns.

Ultimately the system works best when it gets lots of votes, as in enough to drown out the small percentage (and it generally is a small percentage) of spurious votes. Hence the system needs to be as simple and inviting as possible.

I'm currently leaning towards showing an overall rating and an "experts" rating. When I get the chance I'll run some experiments and see if there's any actual difference.

cheers
Chris Maunder

Jörgen Andersson10-Oct-18 8:32

10-Oct-18 8:32

Experts rating would definitely be much simpler and it is certainly more important that it just works. And you're probably right about the debatable returns.

But since I'm into wishing, I would like to mention, that one of the things I'm missing is to be able to search for whether the article is a "Code Sample", a "Walkthrough" or a technical background article.
Or combinations thereof. And while that easily could be done in the form of tags or similar, the articles usefulness in these areas should be asserted by the users I believe.

Ah, scrap that. It probably wouldn't work. Smile | :)

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Nelek10-Oct-18 8:49

Nelek

10-Oct-18 8:49

do you really think the future "authors" will get that sorted correctly?
And what happens with the millions of past articles without that cathegorization?

M.D.V.

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Jörgen Andersson10-Oct-18 9:00

10-Oct-18 9:00

That's why I finished with "scrap that".

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Chris Maunder17-Oct-18 3:24

17-Oct-18 3:24

Jörgen Andersson wrote:
to be able to search for whether the article is a "Code Sample", a "Walkthrough" or a technical background article

Yes! And it's really easy. If the articles are tagged correctly. This has been an issue for ages but one we're addressing in the coming weeks. It's important.

cheers
Chris Maunder

Jörgen Andersson17-Oct-18 4:34

17-Oct-18 4:34

Nice!

Chris Maunder wrote:
If the articles are tagged correctly

There's always an if, isn't it? Smile | :)

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Nelek9-Oct-18 20:23

Nelek

9-Oct-18 20:23

Chris Maunder wrote:
Some people will like them. Some people won't. Some people will put lots of effort into thinking through their vote. Some will vote from their gut. Some will vote because they absolutely positively disagree with the methods used in creating a solution, even though the article was beautifully written and simple to use. Some will vote because it was the only thing they could find that solved their problem and let them get their work done.

Don't forget the "(un/)friendly votes" which IMO is very extended in parts of the community.

M.D.V.

OriginalGriff10-Oct-18 20:04

OriginalGriff

10-Oct-18 20:04

You have to remember that anyone can read an article here, just as anyone can write one. And that means Joe Moron from Kansas, Ohio cna read it expecting it to be exactly what he needs to hand in as his homework. And when it isn't, he is free to vote it as he pleases. That's democracy! The system has algorithms in place to exclude "spurious" answers once sufficient "real" ones are in place, and each vote it "weighted" by the reputation of the source. So a 1 from Joe doesn;t make a lot of difference compared to a 5 from me for example. If the article gets sufficient 5's, the spurious 1's will not only have minimal effect but will eventually be discounted completely.
Equally, if Joe writes a poor article and gets several 5's from his mates, they can be countered by high-rep 1s, and they will eventually be discounted as well.

For example, look at this: List<T> - Is it really as efficient as you probably think?[^] - it got 16 1's because people didn't really read past the introduction, and 83 5's. And those 1's prompted me to rewrite the intro to "persuade" people to read further. It's sitting there with a solid 4.38 and someday the 1 will be discounted.
And this: Using struct and class - what's that all about?[^] won "best article of the month", and still got downvotes from Joe and his mates! Laugh | :laugh:

It's not a perfect system, but it's pretty good - it works out in the long run. If you like an article, vote it up. If you don't, walk away or vote it down. If it's spam, plariagrised, or abusive, report it. But don't take any of it personally!

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modified 11-Oct-18 7:26am.

Richard Deeming11-Oct-18 1:21

Richard Deeming

11-Oct-18 1:21

OriginalGriff wrote:
... gets several 5's from his mates, they can be countered by high-rep fives, ...

High-rep ones, surely? Smile | :)

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Atsign summons don't work in QA?

OriginalGriff11-Oct-18 1:27

OriginalGriff

11-Oct-18 1:27

Fixed.

required...

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OriginalGriff8-Oct-18 5:13

OriginalGriff

8-Oct-18 5:13

I needed to attract Sean to a problem: How do I fix image links[^] but @sean-ewington doesn't get changed to a link in QA answers, or in the comments - so presumably Sean doesn;t get notified. It works in the lounge (and presumably here)

I'm pretty sure it used to work in QA, but it's quite possible I'm losing my mind...

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Re: Atsign summons don't work in QA?

Chris Maunder9-Oct-18 3:10

Add a canonical link to make sure SEO won't be penalized for Technical Blogs

9-Oct-18 3:10

I don't believe it worked in QA answers since they are meant to be answers, not discussions, but I could be wrong and am certainly open to changing this.

I'll add this to the TODO list since it actually fits in neatly with the massive refactor we're currently working on

cheers
Chris Maunder

Redundant forum

Richard MacCutchan7-Oct-18 22:00

Richard MacCutchan

7-Oct-18 22:00

The forum titled Visual Studio 2015 & .NET 4.6 Discussion Boards[^] would seem to have outlived its usefulness, and tends to confuse new members.

Junian Triajianto7-Oct-18 10:22

Junian Triajianto

7-Oct-18 10:22

Just like title said, when we import technical blog post to CodeProject, there is a chance that the original source will get penalized as duplicate content on search engine. There is a way to fix that by adding rel=canonical.

I see that this topic has been suggested here: Bugs and Suggestions[^]
It was decided to use `syndication-source` meta tag, but honestly I can't find any reliable source that Google still look into this tag.

My suggestion is to put rel=canonical in the `<head>` like this:

HTML

<link rel="canonical" href="http://example.com/original-post/" />

In case you need some convincing references, here are some publishers who do it:

- Medium.com: SEO and duplicate content – Medium Support[^]
- dev.to: Editor Guide - DEV Community[^]
- codementor.io blog: https://www.codementor.io/ianwang/codementor-writing-tutorials-markdown-cheat-sheet-lmpdjdriw[^]

Here is also the documentation from Google: Consolidate duplicate URLs - Search Console Help[^]

Best regards,

Junian

Re: Add a canonical link to make sure SEO won't be penalized for Technical Blogs

Chris Maunder9-Oct-18 3:14

Re: Add a canonical link to make sure SEO won't be penalized for Technical Blogs

9-Oct-18 3:14

We already use the syndication-source meta tag for blogs for exactly this reason.

cheers
Chris Maunder

Junian Triajianto9-Oct-18 3:28

Junian Triajianto

9-Oct-18 3:28

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the reply.

I understand that you already use syndication-source meta for this, but it's deprecated since 2012. Here is the official announcement: Regarding duplicate content and <syndication-source>[^]

What they suggest for now is to use rel="canonical" tag. Here is the reference: Resolving duplicate articles - Publisher Center Help[^]

Also this: Consolidate duplicate URLs - Search Console Help[^]

Thank you,

Junian

Re: Add a canonical link to make sure SEO won't be penalized for Technical Blogs

Chris Maunder9-Oct-18 4:27

Re: Add a canonical link to make sure SEO won't be penalized for Technical Blogs

9-Oct-18 4:27

Good point. I'll update this to be a canonical link.

cheers
Chris Maunder

Junian Triajianto11-Oct-18 19:21

Junian Triajianto

11-Oct-18 19:21

Awesome!

When will I can expect this implemented?

Re: Add a canonical link to make sure SEO won't be penalized for Technical Blogs

Máy Khử Độc Rượu Gipwin11-Nov-18 15:36

Máy Khử Độc Rượu Gipwin

11-Nov-18 15:36

I think when the content is the same, you need to pay attention to canonical tag

Rep History Page

#realJSOP3-Oct-18 3:14

#realJSOP

3-Oct-18 3:14

Why is it that I have to do several refreshes to get anything to come up on the reputation history page?

This problem is not specific to any browser, nor even OS. I'm currently on a Linux laptop, running firefox, and it does it. It also does it on Windows in IE11, Edge, FireFox, Chrome, and Opera.

It's been this way for years.

What's up with that?

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Chris Maunder3-Oct-18 3:35

3-Oct-18 3:35

The obvious answer is that the system is scared of your reputation.

The more banal answer is we probably have a load / efficiency issue with listing rep events.

I just bought up your page and it took 89ms to get the data for you, so there's got to be something else going on,

cheers
Chris Maunder

#realJSOP3-Oct-18 3:41

#realJSOP

3-Oct-18 3:41

Once I get data, it's fine, but sometimes, it takes anywhere from 2 to a dozen F5 refreshes to get any data at all.

Nish Nishant4-Oct-18 7:14

Nish Nishant

4-Oct-18 7:14

You can refresh the Rep History as it's got its own URL. How do you refresh the main rep graph as it's just a tab on your profile? Refreshing that just reloads the profile page defaulting to the first tab.

Nish Nishant
Consultant Software Architect
Ganymede Software Solutions LLC
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