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honey the codewitch wrote: I firmly believe are farm animals in our backyard
Eggsactly!
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honey the codewitch wrote: what I firmly believe are farm animals in our backyard
If it were up to the chickens they'd be pets in the house.
My parents have two chickens and they're very social and love to be around them.
They'll even sit on your lap when you're sitting outside 
They're also surprisingly soft to the touch.
I guess it all depends on the breed though.
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They're loud and they smell funny. They belong on a farm, IMO. Hisself disagrees.
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I hope whatever bylaws or covenants apply also agree with Hisself!
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Take comfort in the fact that these chickens will probably live a better life in your backyard than they otherwise might.
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I got 4 chickens late last year (and another stray one turned up!). I am not in favour of caging birds, but if you have them, then it is for their safety. I treat mine as pets (aka family) that happen to lay eggs; which is just as well as creating a good environment for them, and feeding them with good food (plus treat) means that they are far more expensive to keep that just buying eggs in the supermarket. Faberge eggs would be cheaper. But, they are great fun to have around, they show a lot of intelligence and social skills (not all positive ones).
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honey the codewitch wrote: My husband just got chicks with the nefarious intention of raising them and stealing their eggs.
"Stealing"? If you talk regular chickens, they're domesticated and can't survive in the wild. They're existence is a symbiosis with ours.
Now, to the gruesome part; dunno the exact translation, but are they "beaked" or not? You can tell if theyre beak is cut, and if not, then don't come near with a finger. They also need to have their feathers cut. Ask your vet, as a developer you trained to find facts and not trust opinions.
honey the codewitch wrote: One cat is terrified of them
I owned both, never at the same time. Keep them separated. Especially if one of the "chicks" is male. It will defend his hens against intruders. Some co.. ehr.. roosters are fiercely about their territory.
honey the codewitch wrote: I guess the idea is the eggs pay for the chickens. How .. mundane.
Nah, the idea is to have better eggs than the supermarket. Those eggs will be more expensive if you count the cost of living, those from the supermarket are WAY more cheap.
..but some people say they taste better. Like in the cola-ads, I choose the wrong one and taste no difference at all and pick the cheap one as the best. But then, an egg from a chicken in happyness, compared to our European chicken farms.. well, that worth something. Just not worth enough for Goedzo to share the small garden with some large aggressive birds.
honey the codewitch wrote: Anyway, I guess I'll have to learn to love quiche. 
Chickens provide a lot of politicians. Ehr.. What's the nice word? ..manure. And your hubby will grow tired soon from the cleaning. They also need protection from rats which will be attracted by the chicken food.
I love chickens, love to eat chicken; and they exist, because we exist. If we stop existing, in a few hundred years chickens stop existing too. Domesticated chickens exist because we have a need for them, called KFC.
And as long there's KFC, there'll be chickens and they never will go extintinct.
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I mean, my post wasn't really written as a serious post. It seems kind of weird to me to fisk it like that.
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honey the codewitch wrote: I mean, my post wasn't really written as a serious post
I can't see the difference, sorry. I just responded literally, as that seemed appropriate. Valid as those points are, sounds like I missed the point?
honey the codewitch wrote: It seems kind of weird to me to fisk it like that.
"Fisk" you? That's Norwegian for fish. Your statement makes no sense in translation.
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Yes, I can see the pattern now  Nvm, the fault is mine.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Valid as those points are, sounds like I missed the point?
I suppose. I wasn't being serious. Well except for that "Payback Poultry" is in fact named after the premise that the chickens pay for themselves by way of their eggs, however inaccurate that might be. I didn't name the company.
Sorry, "fisk" is an american internet slang term for doing a line by line rebuttal of someone's statement or position.
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honey the codewitch wrote: I wasn't being serious.
Ehr.. I assumed you'd be.
honey the codewitch wrote: Well except for that "Payback Poultry" is in fact named after the premise that the chickens pay for themselves by way of their eggs, however inaccurate that might be. I
Never heard of it.
honey the codewitch wrote: Sorry, "fisk" is an american internet slang term for doing a line by line rebuttal of someone's statement or position.
Ah, my fault again.
I shut up here, aight?
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Has he set up a chicken tractor? Cuts out some of the feed cost / cleanup time from the equation.
Of course some people do let the birds run, and in surprisingly urban places.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: honey the codewitch wrote: I guess the idea is the eggs pay for the chickens. How .. mundane.
Nah, the idea is to have better eggs than the supermarket. Those eggs will be more expensive if you count the cost of living, those from the supermarket are WAY more cheap.
The chickens in your garden are likely to be healthier than battery chickens, and therefore lay healthier eggs. They certainly will be fresher than the supermarket variety!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: The chickens in your garden are likely to be healthier than battery chickens, and therefore lay healthier eggs.
I'd doubt that; they're not getting antibiotics on a regular basis.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote: They certainly will be fresher than the supermarket variety!
I don't taste any difference. Most of us won't, in a blind taste test.
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Daniel Pfeffer wrote: The chickens in your garden are likely to be healthier than battery chickens, and therefore lay healthier eggs.
I'd doubt that; they're not getting antibiotics on a regular basis.
And they (mostly) don't need them. Battery chicken farms, with their overcrowding and poor sanitary conditions, are the worst possible way to raise chickens; their only advantage is cost. The chickens are fed antibiotics in order to prevent them becoming ill under those conditions.
I understand that some antibiotics also make animals & birds reach their best weight faster, so they can be slaughtered earlier. IIRC, the EU has banned the use of antibiotics for this purpose, but the US still allows it.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: IIRC, the EU has banned the use of antibiotics for this purpose, but the US still allows it.
Correct.
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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honey the codewitch wrote: Anyway, I guess I'll have to learn to love quiche.
Real Programmers Don't Eat Quiche
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
Anyway, I guess I'll have to learn to love quiche.
I can think of worse fates... 
Will Rogers never met me.
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My parents have had cats and chickens for about 30 years; and for the first ~25 had both the cats and birds allowed outside (increased traffic has forced their current cats to be indoor only). Based on that extensive knowledge, I have to say that...
honey the codewitch wrote: One cat is terrified of them,
...one of your cats has the right idea...
honey the codewitch wrote: and the other one (who happens to be allergic to chicken) is trying to figure out why we won't share them with him.
... and the second is stupid enough to be in the running for a Darwin Award.
Not just the roosters, but the hens would chase the cats off whenever they got annoyed; and the normally lazy fluffballs would go racing away at full speed whenever it happened.
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Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
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Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
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He should also be required to feed, water, and clean up after them. Birds are filthy creatures.
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Lost on a rainy night, a nun stumbles across a monastery and requests shelter there. Fortunately, she's just in time for dinner and was treated to the best fish and chips she's ever had.
After dinner, she goes into the kitchen to thank the chefs.
She is met by two brothers "Hello, I'm Brother Michael, and this is Brother Charles".
"I'm very pleased to meet you. I just wanted to thank you for a wonderful dinner. The fish and chips were the best I've ever tasted. Out of curiosity, who cooked what?"
Brother Charles replied "Well, I'm the fish friar".
She turns the other brother and says "Then you must be...?"
"Yes, I'm the chip monk"
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OK- if we are running with the monk theme (Non Americans and even younger Americans might not get this one...)
One day Robin Hood visits Friar Tucks hut in Sherwood to find an enormous collection of flowers.
"What's with all the flowers?" he asks Tuck
"I have decided to leave my old life of caring for the people of Sherwood and open my own flower shop!" is the reply.
Robin is concerned to hear this and tries to convince Tuck that he can't abandon his religious duties to the people but Tuck will hear none of it. After the argument gets heated Tuck finally physically throws Robin out of the shop.
Robin gathers the Merry men and tells them of the problem.
Will Scarlett volunteers to talk to Tuck. 10 minutes later he is being rather brutally thrown out of the shop.
Next up is Little John and he fairs no better. After a long shouting match Tuck is beating him with his own quarterstaff and chasing him from the shop.
Man after man tries and fails to convince Tuck, with each confrontation becoming more violent.
Finally Robin looks to Hugh and asks him if he has any ideas. Hugh nods and enters the shop. Ten minutes later out walks an ashamed looking Tuck and says "Ok Ok - I'll go back to my old job!!"
And everything was right again in Sherwood.
Which just goes to show that...
Hugh, and only Hugh, can prevent florist Friars.
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I can imagine very few non Americans knowing about Smokey. 
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Okay, Jörgen and DRHuff; both of you please hold still.
We're going to have to hurt you now.
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