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RChin1-Feb-06 6:50

1-Feb-06 6:50

Well, they (WholeTomato)[^] claim it does, but I can't verify that. My department will be slowly moving us over to VS2005 in the next few months. From the feedback I've been reading here, it seems that I might not need VAssistX with VS2005 due to vastly improved intellisense features.
Fingers crossed Hmmm | :|

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Re: VAssistX

toxcct1-Feb-06 6:52

toxcct

1-Feb-06 6:52

RChin wrote:
From the feedback I've been reading here, it seems that I might not need VAssistX with VS2005 due to vastly improved intellisense features

i think we've not read the same threads buddy !

what i've seen there about VS2005' intellisense is that it has been highly improved, but not for C++... Cry | :((

moreover, visual assist was really powerful on both VC6 and VS2003, ,so i hope that it can still improve productivity, even on VS2005 Wink | ;)

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Re: VAssistX

RChin1-Feb-06 7:14

RChin

1-Feb-06 7:14

toxcct wrote:
about VS2005' intellisense is that it has been highly improved, but not for C++...

Urgghh! NOooooooo!!!!!! WTF | :WTF:

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Re: VAssistX

toxcct1-Feb-06 7:15

toxcct

1-Feb-06 7:15

what i heard... Frown | :(

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Re: VS 2003 issue

Prakash Nadar1-Feb-06 16:51

Prakash Nadar

1-Feb-06 16:51

you know what, Intelli-sence is a good feature, but it greatly reduces the ability to think or remember and it is a big problem when u move to some other platform or programming lang where these features are not there.

Yes reading the documentation is a tedious job, but you know what, everytime i look at the document to read something about the api or search for an api, I learn something new. Smile | :)

I like it this way, so I am not too upset with intelli-sence working or not.

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Re: VS 2003 issue

toxcct1-Feb-06 21:56

toxcct

1-Feb-06 21:56

what ?

you still code inside notepad ??? Cool | :cool:

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Re: VS 2003 issue

Owner drawn2-Feb-06 17:33

Owner drawn

2-Feb-06 17:33

toxcct wrote:
you still code inside notepad ???

How can I forget the good ol' notepad. Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

No intellisense, only your common sense works there. He he;P

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What's the difference?

tas28261-Feb-06 5:34

tas2826

1-Feb-06 5:34

I am curious about something dealing with constructors in dialog classes. I have seen a certain way of doing the constructor and I wonder if it actually buys anything. Here is what I am talking about:

FOO::FOO(CWnd* pParent /*=NULL*/)
: CDialog(FOO::IDD, pParent),
m_pSomeObject( NULL ),
m_bSomeBoolean( false ),
m_iSomeInt( 0 ),
m_sSomeString( "" )
{
//{{AFX_DATA_INIT(FOO)
// NOTE: the ClassWizard will add member initialization here
//}}AFX_DATA_INIT
}

Now m_pSomeObject, m_bSomeBoolean, m_iSomeInt, and m_sSomeString are member variables of the class. So, they are being initialized. Is this method of defining a constructor better than doing it this way?

FOO::FOO(CWnd* pParent /*=NULL*/)
: CDialog(FOO::IDD, pParent)
{
//{{AFX_DATA_INIT(FOO)
// NOTE: the ClassWizard will add member initialization here
//}}AFX_DATA_INIT
m_pSomeObject = NULL;
m_bSomeBoolean = false;
m_iSomeInt = 0;
m_sSomeString = "";
}

It is not importaint that it be a dialog class, this is just where I am seeing it used. I am just wondering what the advantages of one over the other are, or if there are advantages?

Thanks,
Troy

Re: What's the difference?

Rama Krishna Vavilala1-Feb-06 5:58

Rama Krishna Vavilala

1-Feb-06 5:58

It is better to use the contructor syntax.

1. It is the only way to initialize reference member variables in your class. If you have any.

2. Let's say you have an object that has two contructors defined as

class A
{
public:
  A()
  {
    DoSomeStuff();
  }
  
  A(int x)
  {
    DoSomeStuff(x);
  }
 
  A& operator = (int x)
  {
     Cleanup();
     DoSomeStuff(x);
  }
};

Now lets say you want to contain an object of this class in another class.

class B
{
private:
  A a;
};

You can initialize in two ways

B::B()
  : a(5)
{
}

B::B()
{
  a = 5;
}

If you are not initializing the object in the constructor initialization list like that in the second case. The object will be initialized using the default constructor i.e. DoSomeStuff will be called and then when the contrsuctor code within the block gets processed the assignment operator will be called. In the first case only the constructor of A that takes int argument gets called.

Re: What's the difference?

tas28261-Feb-06 6:10

tas2826

1-Feb-06 6:10

It was not clear to me. So, is it better to do it this way?

Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
 
B::B() 
 : a(5) 
{ 
}

Or this way?

Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
 
B::B() 
{ 
 a = 5; 
}

Which one is "Constructor Syntax"?

Re: What's the difference?

Nish Nishant1-Feb-06 6:13

Nish Nishant

1-Feb-06 6:13

The former is the proper way to do it (that's called a constructor initialization list).

Regards,
Nish

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Re: What's the difference?

tas28261-Feb-06 6:18

tas2826

1-Feb-06 6:18

I think I am seeing this now. The one question I have is does the constructor initialization list buy you anything for primitive data types? It seems a waste for that and they would be better to initialize in the body of a constructor or in an initialization member function.

Re: What's the difference?

Nish Nishant1-Feb-06 6:12

Nish Nishant

1-Feb-06 6:12

Only problem is when you have multiple constructors. So if your initialization list is huge, you need to copy/paste that for every constructor overload. In such cases a better solution might be to use an Init function that's called by all these constructors.

Regards,
Nish

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Re: What's the difference?

David Crow1-Feb-06 6:29

David Crow

1-Feb-06 6:29

The former is referred to as an initialization list. One benefit, if you need it, is improved performance. The latter is an assignment, which could cause a temporary object to be created. If the member variables you are initializing are intrinsic types (e.g., int, char), there is no difference in performance.

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Re: What's the difference?

tas28261-Feb-06 6:41

tas2826

1-Feb-06 6:41

Okay, I see now. Thank you Rama, Nishant and David for the help. I found another link with a really good explanation too, if you are interested. From a different forum, sorry if that rulles any feathers.

http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1176852&postcount=6[^]

Thanks again for the help.

Troy

Re: What's the difference?

Ryan Binns1-Feb-06 17:42

Ryan Binns

1-Feb-06 17:42

Aaaahhhhh.... The forum that Shall Not Be Named^TM Unsure | :~

There's quite a few members here (including me) who left That Other Place when they sold their soul to the devil... This site was set up initially for that very reason.

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Re: What's the difference?

Eric Jacobsen1-Feb-06 10:49

Eric Jacobsen

1-Feb-06 10:49

Scott Meyers, in "Effective C++" says to "Prefer initialization to assignment in constructors" (Item 12)

"From a purely pragmatic point of view, there are times when the initialization list must be used. In particular, const and reference members may only be initialized, never assigned."

There is also a question of efficiency: "When a member initialization list is used, only a single string member function is called. When assignment inside the constructor is used, two are called. . . Even in the case of the lowly string type, the cost of an unnecessary function call may be significant, and as classes become larger and more complex, so do their constructors, and so does the cost of constructing objects. If you establish the habit of using a member initialization list whenever you can, not only do you satisfy a requirement for const and reference members, you also minimize the chances of initializing data members in an inefficient manner."

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Re: What's the difference?

Owner drawn1-Feb-06 16:59

Owner drawn

1-Feb-06 16:59

It's mainly used for initializing const variables.

This is because what comes on the line with the constructor call gets called first before it enters the constructor body. So if you have any value to initialize (for eg const vars) before any other value is initialized then we do it here.

This is the main purpose...

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Exporting dialog resources

tas28261-Feb-06 5:12

tas2826

1-Feb-06 5:12

Is there a way in MS VC++ 6.0 and/or VS 6.0 to export a dialog (buttons, dropdowns, etc.) and import it into a VB form or vice versa? I am in a position where I have to create some screens in VB that exist in VC++. I would prefer not to have to re-make the screens, i.e. add all the buttons, listboxes, etc again.

Thanks,
Troy

Re: Exporting dialog resources

David Crow1-Feb-06 5:15

David Crow

1-Feb-06 5:15

Something *might* exist but I'm not aware of anything.

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Re: Exporting dialog resources

tas28261-Feb-06 5:41

tas2826

1-Feb-06 5:41

I was thinking something probably does exist, I just don't know about it. If you do find somehting, let me know.

Thanks.

Re: Exporting dialog resources

Maximilien1-Feb-06 5:55

Maximilien

1-Feb-06 5:55

since you have to redo all of the "connections" ( callbacks and all that junk ) in VB, I think that it might be faster to just redo the forms in VB ...

maybe there's an .rc import in VB ?

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Font size: point ang logic

includeh101-Feb-06 4:47

includeh10

1-Feb-06 4:47

followings are copied from VC help (in LOGFONT)

===========================
For the MM_TEXT mapping mode, you can use the following formula to specify a height for a font with a specified point size:

lfHeight = -MulDiv(PointSize, GetDeviceCaps(hDC, LOGPIXELSY), 72);
============================
the value GetDeviceCaps(hDC, LOGPIXELSY) is 600;
so formula above is:

lfHeight=-PointSize*600/72;

if PointSize=90,
lfHeight=-90*600/72=-750.

I think the result is incorrect.

what is problem?

A nice tool for optimizing your Microsoft html-help contents.

Includeh10

Re: Font size: point ang logic

Shog⁹1-Feb-06 15:55

Shog⁹

1-Feb-06 15:55

includeh10 wrote:
I think the result is incorrect.

Looks right to me: 90pt is roughly 1.25", so if an inch is 600px then 750px should give you an inch and a quarter (the correct result). Why would you think this is wrong?

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when to upgrade vc6?

ehh1-Feb-06 4:16

ehh

1-Feb-06 4:16

hello,
i've been using vc6 standard edition for a few years now, developing various c++ and MFC applications; i looked at microsoft's visual studio web site, and was overwhelmed by the choices. is there any downside to staying with good-old 6.0? if so, are there any recommendations regarding express versus standard versus professional versus super-extra-special? all i want to do is c++, and mfc if it'll continue to be supported (i'm having my doubts about that).
thanks,
ed

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