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these are my observations regarding message removal on forums (and under an article in particular):
1. an author can delete his message; if there are no replies attached, the message disappears completely; if there are replies to the message, the message changes to "Message deleted" and the replies remain intact. This is all fine.
2. the community can remove a message by clicking "Vote to remove" sufficiently often. When the unknown threshold gets reached, the message changes to "Message Automatically Removed" but remains present, even when no replies are present. I would suggest to remove it when no replies are present.
3. Now the case that triggered my current message (I hope I get it right, as it is all gone by now):
3a. a univoter enters his message (without significant content), I reply ("thanks"), a third party (DaveyM69) replies to me ("don't worry"), I reply to him ("I don't; I do hope the univote gets removed"),
Dave replies ("when original gets removed, I will delete mine to clean up").
So the chain holds 5 cascading messages:
1=univoter
2=mine
3=Dave''s
4=mine
5=Dave''s.
NB: quotes doubled to avoid comment coloring
3b. After some days, the univote message gets voted down and becomes "Message Automatically Removed".
The reply chain is:
1=Message Automatically Removed
2=mine
3=Dave''s
4=mine
5=Dave''s.
3c. I delete my messages in the chain, they turn into "message removed", so the chain now is:
1=Message Automatically Removed
2=Message Removed
3=Dave''s
4=Message Removed
5=Dave''s.
3d. I send an e-mail to Dave, and he deletes both his messages, only the last one actually disappears,
and the chain is
1=Message Automatically Removed
2=Message Removed (mine)
3=Message Removed (Dave''s)
4=Message Removed (mine)
3e+3f+3g. I again delete my message #4, send another mail to Dave, he again deletes his message #3, and finally I again delete my message #2 (all in that order); the chain now is:
1=Message Automatically Removed
That was a lot of work, to be carried out in the right sequence, to almost get rid of a thread that consisted of empty messages since step 3d.
My suggestion is:
when a message gets deleted by its owner or removed by the community, and has no replies attached, delete and remove it (is OK except for removal by community), and also remove its parent, recursively, as long as that message does not have replies, AND (is already deleted by its author OR got removed automatically).
Doing so would significantly reduce the efforts required to clean out a thread that has lost its purpose.
modified on Saturday, January 9, 2010 6:01 PM
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Luc Pattyn wrote:
2. the community can remove a message by clicking "Vote to remove" sufficiently often. When the unknown threshold gets reached,
It is (was) 13 in the lounge a few months ago when Chris was on vacation and we had the great troll mass nuking of 2009.
3x12=36
2x12=24
1x12=12
0x12=18
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I doubt the specific message I was referring to ever reached 13, I rather expect it got only as high as 5 or 6, but then maybe vote weighing by silver/gold/platinum may have had it's say.
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Maybe it's been tweaked since then the kill level appeared fully consistent at the time.
3x12=36
2x12=24
1x12=12
0x12=18
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I am not able to access my id(3677777)
To post the message on this forum, i re-registered. Kindly help me on the issue
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I don't know what happened, accessing this[^] gives "this account is no longer active"
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That's my profile which is deactivated.
How??? I don't know.
Chris, Please help me on the issue
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It seems your account was banned due to there being some, shall we say, suspicious activity being carried out from that account.
I'll reactivate it, but please ensure you mainain control of your account at all time and abide by our Terms of Use[^].
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris, i have mailed the details to webmaster@codeproject.com, please reactivate my id.
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Chris, i have no response regarding status of my id.
Please help
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Currently the reputation graph doesn't extend lines to the end of the graph. For example, I've only publish one article, quite a while ago, so I've got a single dot on the reputation graph, and nothing more. To me it would make more sense to have a line at the level of that dot extended to the edge of the graph, as that reputation has remained constant over the rest of the time.
Just a thought.
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Yeah that doesn't look. Thanks for the report. We'll look into it.
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my editor reputation, which has been at 56[^] recently, has disappeared[^] although the FAQ[^] seems to tell me it can only increase. Not that it matters much, but it might indicate something is wrong.
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We have been adding back some missed edit events from historical data and so edit history has been turned off, a new slide rule obtained, and results updated.
All good now (for you - still have to run the update on everyone else)
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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My rep points on the graph and Quick Answers did not match (at first I thought it was supposed to work that way and I had to check the FAQ). This explains it.
| There are only 10 types of people in this world — those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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Or is there a place where I can create new tags?
Best wishes,
Navaneeth
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Do you think the homework cheaters would actually bother to use it?  Or should be be able to flag it after the fact?
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Users won't very probably use it, but people that can "Improve" could do it (saving time for other users).
Regards.
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M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpfull answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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That would be neat if other users could tag questions as "homework question" and so on, then we could use the custom view to filter out questions with those tags. Perhaps only allow silver members and above to use certain tags.
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Improve question is already only allowed for certain members (up to a grade of reputation). And that allow the improver to change subject, content, tag... So just adding the homework tag would be enough, the rest is already working.
Regards.
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M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpfull answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Also, the ability to filter away questions based on tag is not yet a feature... as far as I know, you can only show questions based on their tags (rather than hide them based on their tags). For example, it would be neat to say:
Show me all questions with any of these tags:
C#
WPF
SQL
But exclude any questions that also contain any of these tags:
Homework Question
Work Request
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Oh, sorry I didn't understand your point. You are right, that is not done yet.
I thought you was meaning the ability to change the question tag from one to another.
Regards.
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M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpfull answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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In the works
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Tim Craig wrote: Or should be be able to flag it after the fact?
That's a whole other ball of wax. Although, other sites, like AllExperts.com, do allow people to categorize and reject questions according to various options (not really a question, homework question, etc.). That might be a useful feature. It would at least inform the user of why nobody is answering their question.
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