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Quote: I use Wix. Much better.
Agreed! And it's free!
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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Man, I wish I could use it. Sadly, I don't make the rules where I work.
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I've had happiness with Advanced Installer. IS wants so much $$ it's absurd.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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The InstallShield team is #3 on my list of developers to be put against the wall when the revolution comes. The #1 spot, for over ten years running, is held by the Microsoft Driver Development group, and the #2 spot is held by those responsible for Lotus Notes.
I'm sure at least three other people have said it, so I'll say it too: use Inno Setup[^]. Windows Installer molests Collies.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Why isn't Lotus #1? Is the DDK that bad, or is it something else? It's been a while since I've done any driver related stuff, and there is a project looming up ahead that requires a PCI driver.
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The DDK itself isn't that bad. The part I hate is writing an installer for a driver. The DDK documents three ways to install a driver, and only the fourth one works. I spent weeks getting my first driver install to work. The second one took weeks as well, since the method used for the first one wouldn't work.
The pain in dealing with the DDK, the Windows Driver Model, plus the necessity of signing drivers, is one of the reasons we switched to external hardware instead of our own board. It's somewhat more expensive ($20K as opposed to $8K-$10K), but it's vastly simpler.
Software Zen: delete this;
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IS is one of the worst installers ever. I had one project where I had to use it, and felt like killing myself every day.
I was even happier using NSIS 
Best,
John
-- LogWizard Meet the Log Viewer that makes monitoring log files a joy!
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I'm starting to get seriously pissed off because it seems I have to clean install Windows 10 now for the third time this day. The reason: Everything works flawless, except for installing Visual Studio 2015. The setup seems to mess up the OS, it requires a restart, and after I reboot .NET 4.6 is gone (feature disabled, what?) and Add/Remove Windows features is broken. Unfortunately, .NET 4.6 is part of the OS so you cannot use the standalone redist to reinstall it, and enabling the feature back on doesn't work because it's hidden/not visible anymore. The real bad thing is: I cannot execute any .NET code, and the Event Viewer is not working anymore. DISM/SFC doesn't help, either.
So much for the first major Windows 10 update, well done. How do I get Visual Studio 2015 to work on it?
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Really I see no reason to upgrade to 10 at all. What's to gain? It's full of bugs, spyware, absolutely stupid design ideas, the list goes on.
It's just a dumbed down version of 8.1 which personally I find pretty good (well once I've installed the start menu only from Classic Shell).
Would 8.1 not work for you?
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LloydA111 wrote: It's full of bugs, spyware, absolutely stupid design ideas, the list goes on.
Many people have had zero problems with it, myself included. I like it.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I agree. I had zero problems with Win 10. However, I use Visual Studio 2012 and not 2015.
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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I have 2015 and it's fine too.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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LloydA111 wrote: Would 8.1 not work for you?
Well, it worked on the initial Windows 10 release (10240), so I expected it would just work on the November release, and I rather go back to Windows 7 than 8.1; but I already put some effort in Windows 10 to make it usable (created a custom installation image with all the crap I never use removed, a ton of registry tweaks, etc. Telemetry is blocked at the router level.)
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My non upgrade went smoothly so far, hope it continue.
It just chocked once on KB 3035583, otherwise, all good.
Patrice
“Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.” Albert Einstein
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I just installed a brand new Windows 10 system this morning, and managed to install Visual Studio 2015 without any problem. I tried to convert some of my solutions, compile them and test, here again without any problem.
Did you check the checksums of both your installation medias?
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phil.o wrote: Did you check the checksums of both your installation medias?
I mounted the exact same ISO file I used before, and I just checked the SHA1 - it's OK. Setup went well after all, it's just when I restart as required, it configures Windows and after reboot the system is broken (.NET-wise).
PS: I use a custom install.wim to install Windows, I checked that as well, DISM reports no errors so it should be OK.
How did you install VS? ISO, or web installer?
modified 13-Nov-15 17:04pm.
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I installed from a fresh ISO file downloaded from MSDN.
Next thing to do would be to fetch msi log files from system temp directory, and see if there's a specific error code in there. That can represent a consistent amount of work, though 
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Seems I tracked down the error, thanks for the tip with the MSI logs.
During setup, at some point the VS installer tries to enable ASP.NET in Windows (which is why it asks for a reboot at the end), but the respective DISM command fails and in the course of that all integrated .NET packages are cued for removal in the component store (pending packages). I don't know why this happens, I think it's the component store that is corrupted, because after the reboot the Add/Remove Windows features control panel is also broken, so although the WIM file is reported as healthy, some file in it may be not, and since this is a customized image, I guess the WIM must be broken.
I'm trying a reinstall with a vanilla install.wim and check if that works. If yes, it's been the cause of a corrupted Windows installation image all the time.
Edit: It works now, confirmed the above was the issue.
modified 14-Nov-15 15:44pm.
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You're welcome 
Good luck with your reinstallation.
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I do really think some of those photos ought to be used to encourge space exploration
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Quote: Nothing else comes close to the raw beauty of the universe.
Totally true!
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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I was attacked by a woman in an elevator...
I was in the elevator when she got in.
I was casually staring at her boobs when she said,
“Would you please press one?”
So I did... and I don't remember much afterwards.
I already have my coat on... 
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 BTW each time I read BJOTD I first expand it in another way 
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
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I was just thinking the same thing 
I never finish anyth
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