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raddevus wrote: people need intrinsic motivation
How do I say this without getting banned again on the site... hmmm
People of a certain IQ or greater will achieve great things or have the potential to achieve great things, the others well, will not achieve great things in a million lifetimes. You can't cure stupid.
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Slacker007 wrote: You can't cure stupid.
I get it. But I actually don't even believe in IQ any more.
I believe in Fixed Mindset versus Growth Mindset.
When I was young I failed miserably in public school. And public school told me I was dumb.
I had a friend who literally never got anything in school except As.
I knew that he was born a genius and I was born an idiot.
I couldn't do anything. I barely tried anything but I was always striving to prove myself as smart.
But I couldn't because I couldn't do anything. I was Fixed mindset => "Those who are smart can and the others (me) are dumb"
Then when I was 17 I was doing nothing and working at Toys R Us and on a whim on a weekend I read the book, "How To Draw On the Right Side of the Brain[^]" by Betty Edwards (this was back in 1985).
Something happened and I learned to draw photorealistic images over a weekend of intense and alone study.
I was mesmerized. What!?! I'd learned magic??? No one can teach you to draw, right? It's magic!
Then over the next few weeks something happened inside me. "If you can learn the magic of drawing, then it means you could learn anything!! Anything!!"
But, it takes WORK!! You must work hard and learn.
On that day I transformed from Fixed Mindset to Growth Mindset.
After that when I wanted to learn something I read a book and applied myself and even though I was dumb I started learning things.
but it's hard and it takes hard work.
However, it's much easier for a fixed mindset person to bail out by saying, "I just don't have the tools, because I'm not smart at Math or Computers or drawing or whatever."
That's the real problem. People believe, like I did, that if you try something and fail then you are a loser. That all changed for me.
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I think there is a good amount of truth there, but there is also an amount of "entitlement" involved as well - the feeling that they deserve what they want (the latest iPhony, "respect", or whatever) immediately which older generations grew out of as young children. I'd blame that on both parents (who should have to pass exams before breeding) and TV / advertisers who have pushed that message for a couple of decades now. The whole concept of earning seems to be missing from at least one whole generation, probably more.
But ... that's a sweeping generalisation as well, and there are probably as many exceptions as there are inclusions just they don't stick out as much and thus don't get noticed.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Interesting and timely ...
My stepson, his wife and children came to visit us this afternoon. As he was getting ready to go out in the garden, I noticed that the 3 year old had his shoes on the wrong feet. "Hey, Will", I called, "you've got your shoes on the wrong feet". His mother said that at the nursery (kindergarten) they tell you never to correct your children, as it is bad for their self-esteem. Fortunately William's parents are sensible people.
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Worth seeing: Alternative Math | Short Film - YouTube[^]
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I only hand out platitudes from Despair.com[^].
Will Rogers never met me.
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The failings of our generation laid the groundwork for the failings of theirs. All of this 'young people are ...' should be replaced by 'we have become...,' or another phrase that makes us reflect on the bigger picture. Take responsibility.
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David O'Neil wrote: All of this 'young people are ...' should be replaced by 'we have become...,' or another phrase that makes us reflect on the bigger picture. Take responsibility.
The only people of the next generation whose upbringing I am willing to take responsibility for are my own children. The eldest is about to start reading Mechanical Engineering in the Technion (Israel's equivalent of MIT), and the youngest reached the finals of the "Chemistry Olympics" for high school students in Israel (she didn't win). Both of them got where they did by native talent and hard work.
I reject the idea that I am somehow responsible for the failures of people that I have never met, and if I have my way - will never meet.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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'Responsible' - 'response able'. If you, and everyone else, aren't 'responsible' the problem won't get fixed. Just like the glaring problems your country (and mine) are going through right now.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: I reject the idea that I am somehow responsible for the failures of people
100% agree with this.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote: I am willing to take responsibility for are my own children.
100% agree with this.
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We trained then as such, no vocational electives in school, participation awards.....
This is what they wanted, a bunch of helpless peoples they can provide for, for power.
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It's a common theme : Do you have an example of X, Where can I find the documentation for Y, How can I learn Z, What keywords should I use to search Google/Bing etc. ... It is really odd that they think posting the question here is a better idea than going straight to Google.
One wonders how they manage other aspects of their lives.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: It is really odd that they think posting the question here is a better idea than going straight to Google
But they have a point. Google is becoming pretty crappy!
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David O'Neil wrote: Google is becoming pretty crappy!
I disagree; it is very rare that Google cannot find a useful answer for such QA posts.
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But how did they get here in the first place ... "I need CODE for my PROJECT ..."
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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I often used lmgtfy.com ("let me google that for you") to respond to questions that simple internet searches will answer. If people are too lazy or unimaginative to at least try an internet search, they deserve the sarcasm!
Although I see that site now has security issues, so I wouldn't use it anymore.
modified 28-Aug-23 8:13am.
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Can we have a cage fight? They seem to be all the rage lately.
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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