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Mircea Neacsu wrote:
the passion of your convictions

That's the wording I was looking for. I react this way, because I am passionate about this stuff. When I get into it - I've had people - IRL, not just in a forum - tell me to just let it slide; it's not like I should embark on my own crusade. While they're not wrong...this leads to the status quo. Well, okay. It shouldn't be my battle to fight.

Mircea Neacsu wrote:
I think it's the wrong place to vent your opinions.

I can't say you're wrong. This is politics, I couldn't spin it otherwise even if I wanted to, and I'm very well aware of CP's stance on the topic. So...yeah. :-/

Mircea Neacsu wrote:
I hope you aren't denying OP right to have his language preferences.

Absolutely not...but (as I suggested in one of my later responses to him), he should prepare himself to be disappointed. I have bad memories of my own time in college and the French programming books I was presented.

Mircea Neacsu wrote:
let's leave it at that and eventually do what most Canadians do when slighted: say sorry and move along

I was going to take exactly that position, but then, you're absolutely right - that would be such a Canadian thing for me to do. Smile | :)

Sorry, moving along. Smile | :)

Wait, there's still people learning C++?

...or French? Big Grin | :-D

HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAAA!!!!

Vous avez une violation d'accès.

We have a number of French members here (or who claim France as their country). Why not try seeking them out and asking them?

I am not sure if the Who's who list allows you to search for such people but you could try the C++ forums.

Certainly looks like there are books.

Amazon.com[^]

Following has good reviews - in french

https://www.amazon.com/programmez-langage-Mathieu-Schaller-Matthieu/dp/B010GGJSNC/ref=sr_1_3?qid=1699466766&refinements=p_n_feature_nine_browse-bin%3A3291438011&s=books&sr=1-3[^]

(From CP newsletter)

AI companies have all kinds of arguments against paying for copyrighted content - The Verge[^]

There is a real point in there about tracking down all of the owners and what they would actually be paid.

As an example consider the following real case...

You might know Lovecraft and you might even know of Cthulhu. But have you read the stories? I suspect not many people have. Perhaps because they were often (always?) a grind to get through.

There were other authors for that genre but can you name any of them?

Years ago I read a small publication that did gothic horror.

The editor of that publication (small magazine) made the point that he wanted to preserve all of those that he could find. Because some had not be published in any form for decades. And the original source material was being destroyed (books being trashed over time).

He could publish the stuff again. Thus preserving it.

But tracking down the copyright owners was an impossible task. It would just cost too much just to do only that. And then paying them anything at all just was not going to happen. (Having done some publishing myself I am rather certain this magazine was not making much at all.)

And there are very few other people even concerned about that.

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So now back to the link above.

Consider that googling suggests there are 28 million public repos on github. Who owns them? How do you contact each of them? Github is of course not the only code repository either.

Also consider how many of those repos you have used. And did you check the license? Did you pay them? Do you think everyone in your company did?

Now perhaps AI is just learning how to construct web pages. Googling says there are 200 million active/maintained websites. But a total of 1 billion. How does one track down the owner of a website that isn't even being maintained?

There are 2 million accessible books on the internet. Presumably most name the author. But is any other information provided? Used to be that any book actually in print in the US had the Library of Congress id but I have certainly seen a number of books where that is no longer true. One book I saw did not even have a 'title' page - although it probably did have a web contact of some sort in the back.

How are you going to train your next AI project when you cannot legally access any of that information? Any new rules on that will not just impact the big companies.

jschell wrote:
how many of those repos you have used.

Zero. Done.

What they're objecting to, specifically, is paying to use copyrighted material when training AI. This is interesting because anyone can borrow a book from a library and "train" themselves without paying the copyright owner. The counterargument for AI would have to be bandwidth. A trained person can handle one client at a time, whereas an AI program is easily replicated to handle a large number.

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Greg Utas wrote:
This is interesting because anyone can borrow a book from a library

With an actual book. The library bought it or if donated someone did. Only one person can read it at time.

Libraries are attempting to have electronic access. But publishers have been challenging that. Even if libraries limit the number of copies that are 'checked' out the publishers are challenging that also.

I just think Musk is an even bigger "goof" now for appropriating "grok" and "grokking".

So far, I have yet to meet anyone else that made the connection. Or cares. Sad.

"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land. "Grok" is a total misnomer for something that doesn't really understand anything.

Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.

I've read them. Lovecraft was a fascist

TL;DR.

If you have a problem, condens it.

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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

jschell wrote:
And did you check the license?

I always check the license, and I tend to avoid things that aren't licensed unless I know from context that it's public domain - even then maybe that's not the best practice. Unsure | :~

But yeah, I want people to respect my licenses so I try to respect other people's.

As far as the rest of your comment, mostly it just gives me another reason to sideeye "AI"

Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

honey the codewitch wrote:
I always check the license,

So do I. But so far I have never worked with anyone else that does. I have worked with multiple people that are not even clear on what I am talking about what I bring it up. Additionally there are sub-dependent libraries which are often ignored as well.

Gosh that seems irresponsible. And they do this for commercial code? I'm assuming so. Yikes! Unsure | :~

Man, that really is begging for trouble, to my mind, but then I always assume the source code I produce will eventually find it's way into the world so I assume someone will see it. I mean, I don't need that to keep me honest, but it keeps me honest, if that makes sense.

Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

honey the codewitch wrote:
And they do this for commercial code?

Yes.

Seriously, it's not FB and it's not here... save for one or two peeps. Or maybe they're smart enough to avoid the lounge, and I'm not. Willing to accept I'm not the intelligent one here. Laugh | :laugh:

I always thought about looking into Mensa, but I'm not so sure that's worth it to be honest. Maybe I should reevaluate.

For real though, looking for intelligent peeps so I can have a higher quality of chat. Online bickering with ignorance isn't fulfilling anymore. There's no advancement in that. It's actually revolting and disgusting in my view.

Maybe I'm not being realistic or perhaps I'm too immature to simply ignore the clowns. Will accept that because I seem to attract them. Just want to know where the intelligent people are because so far, they're very, very rare it seems.

Btw, if you say you're intelligent you're not. And if this offends you, you're also not.

Jeremy Falcon

Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Maybe I'm not being realistic

This, I think.

"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

He could start his own cult? As a cult leader absolute agreement with the cult leader is always required.

At present, it seems as though most online cults are politically based boooorrrring. Sleepy | :zzz:

"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

Doesn't someone have to think they are intelligent to decide they can accurately assess the intelligence of others?

And what did he say about that? I forgot already.

Anyway, if anyone needs to know anything about Jeremy, they just need to read that post.

Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

honey the codewitch wrote:
if anyone needs to know anything about Jeremy, they just need to read that post.

I can agree with that statement, but we might disagree on what it indicates.

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