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trønderen4-Dec-23 7:05

4-Dec-23 7:05

That can very well be the case even if you don't like heavy metal ...

dandy724-Dec-23 7:43

4-Dec-23 7:43

Heavy metal was just the first thing that came to mind. I might as well have picked reggae. Smile | :)

It's not the music. If someone decides to go on a killing spree, he's already got a screw loose, and that's what should be examined (for one, what meds was he on? Is that ever asked?) - but it's easier to blame music. And music, unlike Big Pharma, doesn't sponsor the news.

Same with video games. You don't become proficient at using a weapon no matter how many hours you put in using a mouse or Xbox controller.

trønderen4-Dec-23 9:13

4-Dec-23 9:13

dandy72 wrote:
If someone decides to go on a killing spree, he's already got a screw loose

I don't think we are supposed to discuss current international politics in The Lounge, so let's not pick up that one.

jschell5-Dec-23 5:00

5-Dec-23 5:00

Ted Bundy. Not current at all.

His actions were not caused by porn. That was nonsense peddle by him to the evangelical riding the media wave to promote his own agenda. Bundy was hoping to escape the death penalty. And thus perhaps to escape - again.

But also wasn't caused by the cheerleader catalogs. Which were in the car Bundy was driving when arrested.

dandy725-Dec-23 8:21

5-Dec-23 8:21

I must've missed something on the news, 'cuz I thought we were talking about the claims that some music genres turn people into psychopaths.

k50544-Dec-23 7:05

k5054

4-Dec-23 7:05

Yes, but you have to play the record backwards. Same is true for the Beatles "White Album", I think.

"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants"
Chuckles the clown

trønderen4-Dec-23 9:11

4-Dec-23 9:11

How do you do that today, when you access all your music from a streaming service?

Even with CDs, it takes some effort.

The only way I can think of is to read the music into a sound editor capable of reversing a clip. At least the simple ones do not have that capability. You could of course write your own program (this is, after all, a site for programmers Smile | :)

) to do it, but then you first have to decode the file from whatever compression format, and, unless you do the compressed-to-wav yourself so you have the file in memory, you will have to learn the details of the .wav format.

It can be arranged, yes it can be arranged.

jschell5-Dec-23 5:02

5-Dec-23 5:02

trønderen wrote:
How do you do that today, when you access all your music from a streaming service?

Good question.

It must prove that digital copies are just an international conspiracy which is attempting to hide the true messages contained in the media.

Makes one wonder though what podcasts played in reverse might say.

dandy725-Dec-23 8:24

5-Dec-23 8:24

trønderen wrote:
The only way I can think of is to read the music into a sound editor capable of reversing a clip. At least the simple ones do not have that capability.

If you have a file you can read (and not a stream), Audacity can reverse a clip.

jschell6-Dec-23 7:37

6-Dec-23 7:37

It is a secret but I am positive you can copy any stream to a file.

dandy726-Dec-23 11:05

6-Dec-23 11:05

Good luck finding the end of a live, continuous stream. :-p

But I know what you mean. That's how, after all, streams end up on pirate sites.

jschell8-Dec-23 4:29

8-Dec-23 4:29

Just noting, far as I recall, the hidden messages were never at the end. Nor the beginning.

dandy728-Dec-23 6:42

8-Dec-23 6:42

Right, but you still need a complete file, since you can't reverse a stream in real time. Unless you only care about reversing a chunk of it. If you only reverse one second of it every second, you're only going to end up with even worse gibberish. Smile | :)

StarNamer@work4-Dec-23 13:14

StarNamer@work

4-Dec-23 13:14

Actually the most likely murder (or serious injury) was by the parents whose expensive record deck's precision tone arm and pickup had been damaged by some fool forcibly spinning the turntable backwards! Smile | :)

jschell5-Dec-23 4:55

5-Dec-23 4:55

dandy72 wrote:
someone is still trying to claim heavy metal will make you want to murder your parents and such.

Definitely.

Or whatever else they don't like.

trønderen4-Dec-23 6:51

4-Dec-23 6:51

If there is a single unambiguous and undisputed definition of what is "moral", and this definition is associated with institutions promoting certain kind of music, it comes natural: Those who support those institutions and their morals, have higher tendency to listen to the kind of music promoted by those institutions.

Except that I will never agree that there is a single unambiguous and undisputed definition of what is "moral". E.g. I strongly object to a great number of the practices of the Christian religion as being "moral" - even though they themselves hold it up as their "moral".

A second thing: I have for many years been singing in church choirs. Because the churches turns out to capture control over so much resources that they can pay some very good conductors. I listen to a lot of church music, because the Christian churches for centuries have had enough resources to grab the best composers, paying them to make music to support the ideas of the church. That was the way to make a living in earlier days: To work for the church. Today, the way to find a place to sing under a great conductor: Search the church choirs.

I do. Both listening and singing. I do it for the music. Some of the moral, I detest. Some of my true morals would make church people (and maybe a fair share of others) throw up, if I revealed them. I don't. From my music preferences, you would say that I am a highly church moral person. And I'll let you all believe that; I am not revealing my true thoughts. I would strengthen the conclusions of this study. But it would be false.

Eddy Vluggen4-Dec-23 8:33

Eddy Vluggen

4-Dec-23 8:33

Like music says something about personality?

I'd never date someone doing classic or folk.

Bastard Programmer from Hell Suspicious | :suss:

"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

trønderen4-Dec-23 9:45

4-Dec-23 9:45

Long time ago ...

I entered a tech. U where the Student Union had a strong radio amateur ('ham') group. Holding a ham license, I applied for membership. Like so many student groups, they have strict rules for accepting new members, far beyond just signing up. So I was called to an interview, to verify that I would fit into the group.

At that time, I listened a lot to classical music, and it happened that I had already bought a concert ticket conflicting with the time for the interview. So I returned a reply, asking if the interview could be moved to a different time.

I didn't hear anything more from the ham group for several weeks. In the meantime, I had heard from a friend of mine already a member of the ham group that there had been a discussion whether someone who listens to classical music would fit into the group. When they after several weeks came up with a new time for an interview, I decided: If it was considered seriously to refuse to accept my membership in the ham group because of my musical taste, then I guess that the social environment in that group would not be one where I would enjoy myself, regardless of which musical taste we are talking about. So I reported back that I was no longer interested.

I guess that (e.g. based on chromosomes) being dated by you would be outside my interests anyway. Even if it was, after your remark I would turn it down anyway, for similar reasons. My classical music period was over decades ago, but now that you state that I would have been rejected anyway if I had kept my sense of classical music,

You make me suspect that for you, friendships are similar: You couldn't be a close friend to someone doing classical or folk (regardless of XY). Then I say: OK, so let's not be close friends, then. A friendship requiring identical musical tastes sounds rather fragile to me.

You might be joking. But even if you are joking, I can very well imagine people of that attitude (ref. that ham group). If you tell me that you are joking, I might want to introduce some of my favorite folk music to you ... Smile | :)

Eddy Vluggen4-Dec-23 11:32

Eddy Vluggen

4-Dec-23 11:32

It is called sarcasm.

There "might" be a difference between me and people listening to folk. And who would have forseen that is a part of the profile that ad agencies build up?

I mean, those must be the most ethical agencies that exist? It is not like they would place profit over morals? Suspicious | :suss:

trønderen wrote:
I guess that (e.g. based on chromosomes) being dated by you would be outside my interests anyway. Even if it was, after your remark I would turn it down anyway, for similar reasons. My classical music period was over decades ago

Girl, that is determined by chromosomes, and whether or not we could reproduce. It had nothing to do with gender, nor music, but biology.

Bastard Programmer from Hell Suspicious | :suss:

"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

Gerry Schmitz4-Dec-23 8:59

Gerry Schmitz

4-Dec-23 8:59

Ya ... everyday I come to a Crossroads: Orinoco Flow or Stranglehold. Autobahn or Hot Rod Lincoln. Message in a Bottle, or The Letter. Grazing in the Grass, or Incense and Peppermints ...

"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I