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OriginalGriff16-Mar-24 23:56
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trønderen16-Mar-24 22:38
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That is a common myth, but it is just a myth.

If you have got, say, a 25 MHz 386 sitting on your basement shelf, or maybe something slightly newer, that will still boot, try booting it up and run some of the applications. The boot up time alone is insufferable. The applications take ages to start up, and response is like cold molasses.

There were format wars in the image department (as well as in most other departments), with people rejecting JPEG because it took too long to render the images on the screen; GIF did the display much faster, so it was a better format. In my student days, I remember one student exercise spending half an hour compiling on a VAX 750. I was a TA in the elementary programming course; we were running 20 terminals on each of three fridge-sized computers, accepting a new set of students ever hour. We told them to log out after 45 minutes - yet it sometimes happened that the 20 logouts were not completed 15 minutes later, so the new group of students had to wait.

Do you remember OLE 1.0? You had to wait for ten seconds, twenty seconds, half a minute to get, say, a spreadsheet embedded in a Word document to display. We learned to avoid scrolling through the document: If you scrolled into an OLE object, you might as well take a walk to the coffee machine for a refill while waiting.

If you claim to have a 20, 30 or 40 year old PC with original software, and seriously claim that it runs common tasks (such as compiling a 20,000 lines program system, displaying a high-resolution image, reformat a document to a different layout, do a complete spell check of your text, or similar tasks) significantly faster than today's software and today's machines, then I would most certainly like to see a description of that hardware, software, and actual timings of running the various tasks.

If you make a timing test, please make sure to include in the description the vintage of your equipment! Comparing a 1995 fastest-on-the-market machine stuffed with RAM and all sorts of speed-improving hardware to a 2024 bargain PC with the very minimum of RAM, the cheapest CPU around, a spinning magnetic disk etc. is an unfair competition. Like the Norwegian emigrant farmer to the USA who was on a visit back to his home country, telling "Over there, the farms are so large that it takes a day to drive around them!" His old friend, who had remained in Norway, nodded: "Yes, we've got some cars like that here in old country as well, you know".

Every now and then I boot up one of my old machines to run some outdated software that Win10 cannot handle. I try to avoid it; I haven't got the time. Not for digging the machine up from the basement, but waiting for it to complete its tasks.

Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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